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A little girl, an Uzi, a tragedy: Is a 9-year-old with a machine gun going too far?

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Numnudz

Sep-06-14 5:15 AM

"But how tempting it would be..."

Not to me. It's stupid to stain your soul for something so trivial.

I'm saving up for one of the really big ones :)

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questioner

Sep-05-14 5:55 PM

If they can't secure it, they shouldn't own it.

I'm with rpmwwe on this tho--most of the missing stuff probably walked home and got acquired for personal use.

But how tempting it would be--not items planned on or budgeted for, and no real cost, so you could rationalize that you didn't really steal anything that cost the dept anything. And no real accountability, so.... (Kinda like my son once asked, "if the ref doesn't call it, is it really a foul?")

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WatchDog

Sep-05-14 3:14 PM

questioner, it isn't just about the fact this equipment comes up missing or lost. It is the fact, that police departments do not have the funding to SECURE IT.

All it took was little trashy community to memorialize a "criminal" because of one police shooting and suddenly every police department in America is on hit list to discredit, weaken and empower criminals.

That is how freaking sad this country has become.

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WatchDog

Sep-05-14 3:04 PM

This tragic story is why all "responsible" gun owners across our Nation are in a fight for our lives to keep the 2nd secured. This sure didn't help and all this did was put the "gun grabbers" in a tizzy!

I believe that every child in America after reaching a "responsible" age should learn to respect, train and fire weapons that conform to their body mass until they reach adulthood. Meaning, these parents were NEGLIGENT and that instructor was the same. It's not like they make "UZI'S" that come in all sizes for children.

As sad as this is, those parents were irresponsible.

Gun ownership comes with responsibilities. There is absolutely no justifiable reason why this 9 year old should be training or practice shooting with a "UZI". None.

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Numnudz

Sep-04-14 4:33 PM

Can't get it to work here anymore.

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rpmwwe

Sep-04-14 12:50 PM

Every now and then, I'll go to the MJ after copying the article and then I'll paste the article in the comments.....HA-HA!

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questioner

Sep-04-14 7:49 AM

Looks like you can at Morning Journal too, but virtually no one has. Maybe you should clue them in on how to view the articles.

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questioner

Sep-04-14 7:35 AM

I'll look there maybe sometimes. Never have.

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Numnudz

Sep-04-14 6:29 AM

Commenting on articles still working on EL review.

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Numnudz

Sep-04-14 6:28 AM

Fast and Furious, anyone?

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rpmwwe

Sep-04-14 1:51 AM

Well, I guess giving this stuff to the podunk police departments for them to take home and play with on the weekends is still far better than giving it to the Mexican government who, in turn, loses it to the cartels.

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Numnudz

Sep-03-14 5:10 PM

"So what in the world is a village of 800 + people doing with $4 Million of equipment?"

Laf!

Don't know why, that just tickled me.

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questioner

Sep-03-14 4:11 PM

So what in the world is a village of 800 + people doing with $4 Million of equipment? I guess it would be more than worth it to hire a person who knows how to fill out forms and requests. To say oversight is lacking doesn't seem to put it strongly enough.

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rpmwwe

Sep-03-14 12:49 PM

Information about Rising Star, TX from Wikipedia:

"According to the census of 2000, there were 835 people, 345 households, and 212 families residing in the town."

With that kind of population, how much do you think the police chief makes? They probably can't afford much over minimum wage. Another classic example of You Get What You Pay For.

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rpmwwe

Sep-03-14 12:39 PM

Misplaced, lost, disappeared.... Reading between the lines, those words are most likely all synonyms for "taken home for personal use by someone in the department".

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questioner

Sep-03-14 9:33 AM

...the letter will most likely result in its reinstatement.

The program has also been a magnet for fraud. The police chief of Rising Star, Texas, William Jason Kelcy, was indicted in February on charges of illegally pawning and bartering more than $4 million of equipment he got from the program, including a machine gun.

The Defense Department won’t release a full list of missing equipment nationwide, so it’s impossible to know the full scope of the problem. It relies on state coordinators to ensure departments aren’t misusing or misplacing things, according to Defense Department spokesman Mark Wright.

“We’ve got some people … that run this program, but there’s no way we can keep track of 8,000 different agencies,” Wright said.

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questioner

Sep-03-14 9:30 AM

cont

Penalties for disappearing equipment are minimal. Police departments that lose assault rifles are not allowed to get any new gear from the program but are not required to return any of the equipment they have already received. Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Maricopa County, Ariz., for example, can keep the 89 M16s he got through the program, even though his department was suspended in 2012 after he lost one of those rifles along with nine Colt .45 handguns.

The sheriff’s department in St. Francois County, Mo., has not been suspended from the program even though a man stole its 1990 Humvee in May and went on a crime spree in it, robbing a convenience store before he was finally apprehended in St. Louis County.

And suspensions can be lifted fairly easily. The police department in Meridian, Miss., signed a “corrective action plan” letter promising to keep tighter control over its loaned weapons last March after it lost four M14 assault rifles from its arsenal; the letter will most li

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questioner

Sep-03-14 9:28 AM

Not really related, but no place else not to post.

You know the police dept that lost the Humvee? It’s not that uncommon an occurrence.

In fact, at least three other police stations have misplaced or been robbed of their government-issued Humvees in the past five years. Weapons turn up missing, too. Local police departments like Palestine's have been suspended from the Pentagon 1033 program for misplacing at least 14 M16 assault rifles, 11 M14 assault rifles, 21 pistols and 10 shotguns. These figures don’t come close to representing the total number of weapons that have been stolen or lost over the life of the program, however — a figure the Defense Department has not released.

Losing a weapon or vehicle, even something as big and expensive as a Humvee, does not mean a police department will be automatically excluded from getting more free military equipment. If departments report the equipment missing within 24 hours, they can avoid suspension entirely.

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Numnudz

Sep-03-14 6:48 AM

Try "A little girl, an Uzi, an incompetent instructor,a tragedy".

He paid the price for his lack of adherence to procedure. Unfortunately, the young girl will never forget. I hope she doesn't blame herself.

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