The age thing is a bit deceiving because there's 2,000 college students dragging theirs artificially downward. Wooster is a very "old" town. The money difference comes from the college giving some jobs, I'm sure
Obviously it's not an exact scenario match, but it's definitely something to learn from to get ideas. Salem could still in the middle to long term implement scaled down versions (because there are differences in population and to an extent revenue) of things learned in trips like this
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There are major differences:
Population in 2012: 26,375. Population change since 2000: +6.3%
Median resident age: 37.3 years
Ohio: 40.5 years
Estimated per capita income in 2012: $23,793
Estimated median house or condo value in 2012: $121,401
Population in 2012: 12,161. Population change since 2000: -0.3%
Median resident age: 42.8 years
Estimated per capita income in 2012: $20,805
Estimated median house or condo value in 2012: $91,646
More people in Wooster, more money and younger than the state average.
NOT that we can't learn and incorporate things from them. I am the biggest supporter of the idea that having more things for kids to do would draw in (and keep) families with children. And a healthy city needs families. (I have 3 grandkids living here--they could have chosen other places but opted to be in same town as both sets of grandparents. But I believe that could change for a place w/more for kids)
questioner, when they're downtown they'll be able to see the mix of businesses they have down there. In a 5 minute walk you can hit up a chain sub shop, a high end steakhouse, frozen yogurt, everything in between, and a few stores here and there. It's a little more diverse than a handful of niche places no one will ever shop at. The challenge for Salem is getting the right mix of businesses to want to be downtown.
Check out their parks and rec website and download their activity brochure, gives an idea of some of what they offer and can be seen (including a SKATE PARK *cue creepy music*). If Salem published an activity brochure it would fit on a bar napkin. The parks have individual pages too. I think their complex of soccer fields alone is larger than Centennial park, so they admittedly have much more land to work with.
And again, we can read the complete article about the Arby's benefit that Was, but just a sentence basically restating the headline for the other articles.
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" Boggles the mind. Maybe we should bring our babies."
And some concrete.
So does it annoy anyone else that we can read the whole article about the past recital or past Copeland Oaks' car cruise, but not word one about the Eagles membership plans, and nothing from the article about Salem and the land bank, and nothing about the upcoming fair except it starts at 5.
Do they think no one cares about the old news so keep it in? Is it to motivate us to pay for new news? It's backfiring for me.
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Ts, I assumed wrong again. Didn't know you were a guy. I was o and 3 last year. I was wrong about Kozy, WatchDog and more. Ah well.
But maybe I'll mention that while people look at buildings, they should check into more than just that. I'll email the Chamber--anything specific?
Tying it all together, having lived there for a year or two (and the wife still working there), Wooster is a great example of a town with a gigantic elderly population that still actually is willing to spend money on its youth, as well as an example of a downtown that isn't deserted. They did it all on a 1% income tax too (they JUST raised it to 1.5 this January) Hopefully someone in charge goes and learns something.
Taking a side trip again.
Accidentally clicked on Neighborhood News. The public is invited on a free trip to downtown Wooster as part of a gov grant given to the city. Boggles the mind. Maybe we should bring our babies.
"Hey Disagreer, How could you disagree with a question asking why they want to fill in the baby pool?"
It's your fan club, Q.
"Did Grant get banned for his nazi rant?"
I doubt it.
Hey Disagreer, How could you disagree with a question asking why they want to fill in the baby pool? I really want to know. Does anyone here know anything more about the issue?
Switch in subjects to an article we can't read.
As rpmwwe says, we'll comment on what we think we know from the paper.
Columbiana Co screwed up again and bought computer equipment, pushed back a date to implement it, didn't get it then and now won't get it as that division of the AMCAD company closed and the equipment is no longer available. (Lorain is thinking of suing them. They have the equipment but there is obviously no longer support for the system)
Maybe Col Co is a hard place to live. For some reason we flush county dollars on a regular basis.
(Tempted to move to CO!)
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But back to subject, why Do they want to fill in the baby pool? Not enough usage? In bad shape? Diaper residue? (they have diapers for swimming now)
Switch of subjects again, but read a real Sunday paper today and thought of Grant. The AP out of Denver says marijuana is the reason for the rise of Denver and Colorado Springs homeless-- mostly between the ages of 15 to 24. One Salvation Army men's shelter is up from 225 last year to 300 a night.
People go to CO hoping to find work in the pot industry, or go for the pot. (#1 & 2 reasons to go there)
Anyway. Did Grant get banned for his nazi rant?
And since they already pool resources as it is between papers, staffing you would think would be a zero-to-miminal change.
I guess I look at it as they currently put out 3 papers with so little news in each (which is why they recycle stories between the 3 as filler) that there's really no reason for them to be printing all 3 of them 7 days a week, and that has to be killing their subscriber numbers. Honestly, a town of 12,000 doesn't need its own 7-day newspaper. It needs its own 3-day newspaper (with the internet used for the 1-2 actual "breaking" stories each year on the non-print days), or a more regional one.
So if the Salem News becomes north of 30 and the Review becomes south, hypothetically, there may be some items you don't want to read about, but you can skip past it. It would save the publisher printing 3 papers, and save those who care about SN and MJ from buying 2 papers. People who used to subscribe to both and dropped one or both (because they're paper thin and redundant) would likely come back.
Why do I want a stack of papers piling up unread just to have the online subscription? I think we all know why. Jobs are on the line.
That was why I threw out about they would have done better to charge us for what was already in place. I would have paid a fee for online news and the partial news we get. Just my opinion, I don't run the business part of it.
correction: I think they are going to find this out the hard way, unfortunately.
I didn't have a subscription, tried it, didn't have time to read most of the papers delivered, it was quicker online.
This new way? As much as I love our Salem news staff to pieces, I don't want the print paper. I know it keeps them in jobs and people that deliver it. BUT, it's the but part that follows. I can't change my life to accommodate that.
I never did agree with this thinking. That we should have to pay to learn what Government is doing.
rpmwwe, I agree, and I surprised that it hasn't already happened.
The days of news reporting has clearly changed. Copyright issues are always beatable and it's just a matter of being word slick as I call it. The Internet Highway has proven that many, many times over.
That is just this example. If I was to say, hey, I didn't hear what is happening with this pool story. You can' quote lines from the paper and the owner's of the paper can't do anything about it.
The reality sense of all this? The owners of this paper are not doing themselves any favors with this money grab idea. As much as I understand they have to profit, this will eventually back fire. They are rating their subscriptions prices right out of a window.
Print news, is almost on a path of joining the dinosaurs because of technology and online capabilities.
I think they are going to find this out the hard unfortunately.
"Is there any other paper in our county?"
Like I said, the invitation is wide open. It wouldn't take much for a couple of young and hungry journalism grads fresh out of college to create a website and start posting up local news and advertisements.
"But given how they recycle stories between papers, why not cut one out?"
ts1227 just my opinion. Don't mean to cut in on your discussion with Q. I think it boils down to local news inclusion. Meaning, I prefer to hear Salem news vs. Lisbon news. County issues would cover all papers, but do you really care that some resident in Lisbon is arguing an issue with their a neighbor that they are quick to grab a news story on?
I think a lot has to do with print issues. If they combined everything together and included the entire county of news. The cost to print would be outrageous and we of course would absorb that cost and the news would boring to some sorting through pages of news to find local issues. Who would want to spend an hour reading through all those pages of news? LOL, not me.
Pretty good idea, I think.
Also on the papers, I've always thought that if money is that tight they should just fold the 3 papers into 2 somehow. My initial thought would be the MJ into the SN and ELR, but Lisbon is the main office.
But given how they recycle stories between papers, why not cut one out?
Questioner, I'm not surprised. A large chunk of your paper reading demographic is old and doesn't care
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