Maybe it was originally posted by the same commentor who stated "minorities are lazy".
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rentss sez: "Most of people on here see the world as an "us vs. them", thus the post about "out of towners"."
rentss, do you want copy and paste the comment about the alleged "out of towners". I have no clue where you are getting that from or any relevance to "us vs. them" as if it was a war of sort?
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"You also pulled a Grant in attributing to us things that we have never said.
I second that motion! I agree Q, it really gets old having people concocting lies of things people never state and use them as a smack down, name calling waste of space! LOL
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"I mean there's somewhat of a point in what they say."
I entirely disagree. They were not trying to make "points". They were attempting a slap down with facts that were not spoken.
"As a private organization they really have no obligation to the citizens of Salem, so there really should be no expectation of them to cater to the fact..."
I agree but disagree, again, nobody asked or made any statements suggesting that they should when it comes to the cost of those memberships. If somebody had suggested that the Community Center should supplement memberships for the poor, I could probably understand a mention of that, but that was not the case.
Rentss decided to paint that image falsely to discredit Q, rpmwwe and me. For whatever stupid reason people do what they do or say.
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I mean there's somewhat of a point in what they say. As a private organization they really have no obligation to the citizens of Salem, so there really should be no expectation of them to cater to the fact that (let's be honest) there's been some brain drain in Salem once the economy went south and never really recovered in the area, and that segment of the population was replaced with meth addicts. The fact that out of towners are coming in isn't going to be of their concern, because they owe nothing to the city. So yes, any complaints lodged regarding those 2 issues are a little hollow.
So yes, when some of the earlier comments (not sure by who, it's not really important) address those issues, they are arguably a little misguided. No, it's not as simple as "it's not their fault you're poor", but on the surface I get where they were going with it.
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That is one of the reasons why I can't understand Ladybug or even Rentss spewing their venom at people about this.
"I keep forgetting that about Salem's... "
I think a lot of people just don't know that.
Believe me, the community center is not a economical solution for the city. I don't even think the they pay taxes do they? It is a non-profit organization.
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But even if it could have tax money sent toward it, it still would not happen. The Comminuty Center would be as dreadful looking as the Memorial Building if it exclusively hinged on one cent beyond what was passed in 1968.
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I keep forgetting that about Salem's... It's an atypical setup, most places seem run it through their parks departments.
Nonetheless, that is why Salem's "seems" expensive compared to a rec center that was built with a .2% income tax, for example. In reality it's competitive once the costs between fees and any taxes toward the facility are all pieced together.
ts1227 I could get on board with what you just wrote except, the Community Center is a private organization. City of Salem has nothing to do with it.
It is like a private business.
"It's right-wing populism at its finest."
Do Democrats really believe that calling people names will score them brownie points? LOL
Rentss, trust me, all those screw loosed names you Dems call people isn't effective. It just shows that you can't come up with one effective accomplishment to justify the Democrat destruction our nation's deficit and this economy.
If it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy to lie, manipulate, use weasel words and chuck out stupid little name games, then knock yourself out, it is not going to get you anywhere. Except show your level of intelligence and it is rock bottom.
rentss is on the right track with the comments, name calling aside.
WatchDog's post was pretty good talking about not being against what they're doing, but it being economy related. Yes, the economy tanking has likely led it to be more of a luxury, but they still have to charge what is necessary for it not to become a loss leader for the city. I think they should charge a slightly inflated rate to non-Salem taxpayers (other cities do this)
Does Salem's center cost more than similar ones? A little, from my research. However, if you look into it deeper, you'll notice other cities citizens voted to *gasp* pay more income tax (.2-.3%) to cover it! Thus, all taxpayers built it and subsidize memberships, leading to cheaper monthly rates (and non-taxpayers paying an inflated rate). In reality you're paying the same when it's all said and done. But since Salem voters will vote to dissolve the city before paying a tax on anything, the rate will always "appear" higher at SCC.
Rentss assumes: "It's not anyone else's fault that you're poor and can't afford membership and complain about "out of towners"."
Oh my God, it's another Grant. First, who is complaining about out of towners? Second, just because I make the statement I can't afford it doesn't mean I am poor. It means, I am tapped out with my financial obligations and don't want to spend anymore. I do have a retirement to think about. Why do you assume that because we say we can't afford it automatically means...we are poor people?
It means we are living within in our means and prioritizing our lives in this economy. We are looking at very dim future. Our country's deficit is in trouble.
That was one of Grant's biggest problems, he sure liked to draw conclusions to things he didn't know or possibly could not know. He just used it to be a simple smart @$#.
Besides, whether or not I can or can't afford it absolutely is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS anyhow.
rentss, how close are you to Grant? While I applaud your creativity in calling us fascists rather than Nazis, we are intelligent enough to realize that you just pulled a Grant. You automatically lose.
You also pulled a Grant in attributing to us things that we have never said.
I just have to laugh at those who complain about how their hard-earned tax dollars are spent on others when they themselves don't even hardly pay any taxes. You can get a pass for $45/month, or less if you pay for a yearly one. If you wouldn't join anyway, that's one thing. But if you'd like to join, but can't afford it, then spew your hatred of government handouts while complaining that your membership isn't subsidized or free, then your merely projecting your anger at others for your poor stature in life. Most of people on here see the world as an "us vs. them", thus the post about "out of towners". I'm not surprised, it's the fascist character of a lot of poor folks around here. It's right-wing populism at its finest. It's not anyone else's fault that you're poor and can't afford membership and complain about "out of towners".
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First sale .10BTC netted $58.87 for 11 days production. Second of the coveted Antminer S1 should be here Monday and will double production. With the 3rd machine, the biz will be able to sustain itself and expand just on it's own production without additional capital outlay. Off to the races, then.
"I have largely conservative views but I'm not the stinking rich stereotype with money to burn and an unwillingness to give it away."
Statistics prove that conservatives of all income brackets give much more to charity than their government-take-it-from-you liberal brothers.
This year when you get to camp ask them to adjust your kool-aid dosage because at the current level you are under the misguided belief that anyone who is not a true believing liberal democrat renter is somehow flush with cash. In the meantime, don't tell me what I should be able to afford, or criticize me for what I choose to spend (or not spend) my money on.
"If you can't afford the $40 or so it takes to get access to all kinds of equipment and facilities, then the problem's you."
I really don't see it as a "problem". Do you see it as a "problem"? If you do, then if I stated I couldn't afford a high end luxury car then would you also see that as being a "problem"? I'm starting to get the picture. I don't have enough to give and that is the "problem". I don't fit the mold. I have largely conservative views but I'm not the stinking rich stereotype with money to burn and an unwillingness to give it away. That has to be creating a lot of turmoil for you.
"minorities are lazy"
Exactly who and when did someone post such a statement?
Ladybug, take it to the other article and stop lying.
And if you want to stomp and pout about that by bringing it here? So you are admitting you were just mad when you blasted me and rpmwwe with you smart alec comments? Thanks for being honest, childish but honest!
Well I wouldn't said a thing . But I found the attack on the nurses very unwarranted. And ****** me off/
Now i'm done
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Now ladybug, PLEASE knock this nonsense off.
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