WatchDog, Kozy claimed he was trying to stop all the name calling, but of course all he was really doing was trying to stop me from calling right wing stooges like you names. He had to be prodded into saying something to notSocialist who basically replied that he was unwilling to comply with the request. Since the right wing stooges on this board will not stop calling me names, I reserve the right to reply in kind.
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Admonish NotSocialist for having an opinion? OMG that is priceless...L.M.B.O.
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notSocialist, will you please not call TripleD anything but TripleD. I would appreciate it. Joe
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Kozy62, I am referring to the rules you seek to apply to those who do not agree with you versus the rules that you apply to yourself and others that do agree with you. I am still waiting for you to admonish notSocialist for calling me a Alinski student and a Communist, but of course all you are willing to do is say that name calling is wrong and then dance around the subject.
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By Jake Miller, CBS News, November 9, 2013, 10:18 AM GOP on Obamacare rollout: "This is what betrayal looks like"
A double stardard to what standard are you referring to?
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Kozy62, You are attacking the program for what you believe will happen in the future. By your standards the conservatives have already privatized Social Security, done away with Medicare, and has rigged the electoral college so that the GOP will win the next presidential election. Of course when you operate under the double standard that the conservatives do, all of that is just fine, right?
And, BTW, this has nothing to do with conservatives...it was designed, developed, passed and regulated by liberal/progressives. If "we the people" are ok with that yhen what it is...is. If "we the people" want our freedom, then this must go away.
Did I miss something or was not the ACA passed by the federal congress and signed by the President. Isn't there a penalty for not having insurance as defined by the HHS, which is part of the executive branch. Didn't the supreme court say this was a tax? Didn't Harry Reid say that this was just the beginning towards a single payer system?
Did I miss something?
Who is expected to pay the fee?
The fee applies to both fully insured and self-funded business.
For fully insured customers, (UnitedHealthcare) will pay the fee. UnitedHealthcare will collect the Transitional Reinsurance Fee through premium rates.
Self-funded plans must fund the Reinsurance Fee.
WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Obama administration appears ready to give some labor unions a break from costly fees under the new health care law...the administration said it intends to propose rules that would exempt "certain self-insured, self-administered plans" from the requirement to pay the fees in 2015 and 2016.
The total amount of fees to be collected over three years is $25 billion. Of that amount, $20 billion will go to the reinsurance program and $5 billion to the Treasury.
I keep seeing posts on this site that the Affordable Care Act is a government takeover of Healthcare. Yet when I look, I cannot find a single Government funded health plan on Healthcare.gov. So my question is, "What have you conservatives done with the Government health plan?" You keep talking about how the Government has taken over Healthcare, so the Government healthcare plan must exist. So I want to know, where have you conservatives hidden it? Are you holding it for ransom the way you did with the debt ceiling? Are you trying to hog the Government plan all to yourselves? Come on, give us back the Government healthcare plan.
Questions in this post were asked tongue in cheek.
Kozy, When I signed up for Obamacare, I saw plans from Blue Cross Blue Shield, MedMutual, and HealthAmericaOne. I did not see any kind of Government plan listed anywhere. If the Government has taken over Healthcare, please tell me why I did not see it in the list of plans on the Healthcare.gov web site.
questioner, "Small businesses lose and have to pay that $63 PER PERSON fee, but unions may not have to??" If you are saying that unionized businesses will not have to pay the $63 a person for each person working there, then I agree with you. If someone wants to charge unions $63 for each member, then I do not believe that is who should be paying that fee. A union is not a business although I can sympathize with those who might challenge that statement.
Anyone else sense a whiff of polical cronyism here? Small businesses lose and have to pay that $63 PER PERSON fee, but unions may not have to??
Come on, TripleD, no way you see that as right, do you?
The Department of Health and Human Services said in a statement that once the rule is proposed the agency would consider comments from interested parties before moving forward.
Ed Fensholt, an attorney specializing in health insurance compliance, said unions might benefit most from plans for an exemption since some of their multiemployer plans are processed in-house, though he was not certain of how many. By contrast, he said, virtually all other employers contract with a third party to administer their insurance plans.
Oops, I forgot article title, date, etc:
"Some union insurance plans could get break from fees under new health care law" Associated PressBy Sam Hananel, Associated Press | Associated Press – Wed, Nov 6, 2013 5:19 PM EST
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WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Obama administration appears ready to give some labor unions a break from costly fees under the new health care law, a move that drew criticism from Republicans who say it unfairly favors a key White House ally.
In regulations published last week, the administration said it intends to propose rules that would exempt "certain self-insured, self-administered plans" from the requirement to pay the fees in 2015 and 2016.
Unions and many businesses groups also have been complaining about the so-called reinsurance fees, which start next year at $63 per person for everyone who has coverage. The temporary fee is designed to raise $25 billion over the next three years. The money collected is intended to provide a cushion for insurers from the initial hard-to-predict costs of covering previously uninsured people with medical problems. But unions and large employers argue that they shouldn't have to pay the fee because they won't benefit from the fund.
Mtlhed...it's called taking our freedom away for the sake of politics.
And I knew some idiot would take my 5 minute comment that was stressed for emphesis on making a point about this fairly new thing called ObamaCare, take it literally and call me out on it. Like a 6 year old on a playground who says Naw uuu.
And what about those that are self-insured? You have a guy who is loaded with money. He's not a marathon running health freak, but he's not a fat slob 3 pack a day smoker either. He's just a regular guy that has enough money to pay cash for any health related bills for him or his family. Now he's expected to buy insurance or pay (eventually) stiff penalties to the IRS. Rediculous!
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BTW...8AM at Bob Evans on November 19th...first annual get together of those who post here. This old conservative, Christian, believer in the Constitution and limited government will take all you liberals on if I have to, but I am asking those who agree with me to be there. This will b a time o getting to meet and talk about non political things. No fighting or name calling.
At 8AM, it might be busy so please let me know how many. We want to sit together...Joe
And yes, contrary to what you might hear...I will say a blessing on the food.
I can understand how difficult it is for folks who have had a heart attack or stroke or cancer to obtain decent insurance at a decent price and I believe actuaries could do something to factor in those risks while congress works on tort reform and demands country wide competition...but, I do not agree that the federal government should take over healthcare.
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We may now be at a moment of truth for congress. Can it act energetically and effectively to reverse Obamacare’s most obnoxious elements, delay the most dangerous, and place it on a path to ultimate extinction? Beginning with legislation in the House this week to allow Americans to keep their current health plans if they wish, congress seems to be getting their act together in opposing Obamacare. The challenge will be to stay focused, not to dissipate their energies on fights of far less importance or squabbles among themselves, and to remember that Obamacare is the center of gravity of American politics.
We the People demand no less!
Just watched the special tribute to Billy Graham...what a Godly man.
All this seems as messy as the ACA...
Now, when and where are we meeting and who's meeting?
We just decided to change a vehicle to liability insurance only.
You're right, under the same premise, we do not have "real" insurance.
To fix that, Grant you should pay a lot more since you have never had an accident to cover me. Sounds fair.
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