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Does Salem need to find a way to fund things like firetrucks that need replaced from time to time?

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rpmwwe

Jul-31-13 12:23 AM

Salem has a way to fund things like fire trucks and such...taxation. Salem's money problems aren't from not having a high enough tax percentage. They are from not having a high enough percentage of tax payers.

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questioner

Jul-31-13 9:22 AM

rpm, yes, yes and yes. Salem is losing population, we have to find a way to stop that and then also get in new people.

I still say, look at our property taxes--are they are higher than the areas surrounding us? If so, reduce them and that will make us more desirable, increasing population resulting in more tax revenue (and a whole lot more other positives as well).

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questioner

Jul-31-13 9:51 AM

The following is not judgement disguised as a questions, but real questions with no preconceived "right" answers. Why didn't Salem's FD merge with Perry Township's a few years ago? How much duplication is there in equipment? How many fires a year do they fight? How many call-outs to an accident (and do they go to every single one?) Are they "on call" when a helicopter is at the hospital? Are all those things necessary? How much was the savings by a merger? Should we revisit that possibility?

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questioner

Jul-31-13 10:11 AM

Boy, Disagreer, that was fast clicking. Can you type out more than single clicks?

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questioner

Jul-31-13 11:36 AM

Found your spouse's login to use to, huh? I'm still not impressed with your clicks.

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qcityfan

Jul-31-13 11:55 AM

Salem already has a way to fund capex purchases: the city income tax; a portion of which goes into capital spending vs. operations. Unfortunately, the ratio has changed over the years from about 30% going into capital spending down to just 15%, as the heavy burden of bloated, public sector unionization costs have forced the city to alter resource allocations, all to the detriment of residents/taxpayers.

Consolidation is the key, and we could easily move to a fire district to eliminate the duplications and excesses we currently have, and save at least $600,000 PER YEAR !!!! That money could be spent on new equipment and, what we REALLY NEED, more police department resources to GET RID OF THE CRIMINAL ELEMENT that will ruin this city if we do not address it, NOW!!!!!

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ladybug

Jul-31-13 12:07 PM

You don't need a fire distr. to save $600000 Just get rid of half your paid fireman and replace them with volunteers.

You could be Chief

The only thing you want from Perry is our people ,equip, and money.

What we get in return is nothing .

Unless your willing to split half the savings ?

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ladybug

Jul-31-13 12:18 PM

The last time you tried that little trick the thing we stand to gain was water and sewer hook ups.

Which most of us have anyway.

Oh don't forget the 10's of thousands you cost the city in legal fees along with ticking off 70% of your citizens.

Hooray !

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ladybug

Jul-31-13 12:42 PM

What was sneaky about the whole deal.

How you tried slipping it past the citizens of Perry & Salem.

Didn't get any input from your own Fire Dept.

Tried sneaking the vote threw council until someone caught up with you and demanded the citizens of Salem get to vote on it .

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questioner

Jul-31-13 12:59 PM

I have been totally impressed with volunteer fire depts--Damascus and Perry are ones I personally know are outstanding. Have relatives in other small towns who are volunteer firefighters and I know they're among the best out there. I just don't remember enough about the origin of the attempt to merge Salem/Perry--for some reason I thought it was Perry that approached Salem.

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ladybug

Jul-31-13 1:19 PM

Wrong.

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ladybug

Jul-31-13 1:24 PM

It was 1 twn. trustee & 2 salem councilmen who hatched up this deal own their own

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ladybug

Jul-31-13 1:29 PM

Seems funnie the Perry Twn fire fighters where made aware what was happening .While Salem FF where left out in the dark.

The Twn FF had taken a vote as what they would do if this thing was rammed threw.

That vote was never revealed

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qcityfan

Jul-31-13 1:31 PM

Those who reside in perry township only -- remember Salem is in the township also -- do indeed benefit from Salem and its infrastructure, essentially free of charge. Bad argument on your part.

Take out the emotion, and it is clear to see that fire departments should merge, and we could have a quasi-volunteer fire district, and all residents would benefit, as would the taxpayers. Then reallocate the $600,000 in annual savings toward the police department to rid the city of the criminal element and, once again, all residents - both city and township - will benefit doing so. Property values in both areas will be maintained, and the community as a whole will be MUCH better off.

As JFK said, a rising tide lifts all boats.

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ladybug

Jul-31-13 1:39 PM

I'll keep that in mind the next time I need need something from in town.

The only thing I get for free is burning up my gas at your worthless traffic light system.*, while driving past your run down city,while driving on your patched up roads

Just keep in mind Boardman's only 15 mins. away

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ladybug

Jul-31-13 1:41 PM

And how much of that $600000 is township residents going to receive ?

Like before nothing.You just want our money,equip & and ff

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ladybug

Jul-31-13 1:42 PM

I believe the people of Perry made it quite plane about annexation.

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ladybug

Jul-31-13 1:43 PM

As far as safety forces and road maint. have everything you have with less headaches

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ladybug

Jul-31-13 1:48 PM

Somebody said to me yesterday.

All the communities around have a plan and grow,

Salem has a plan and nothing ever happens

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qcityfan

Jul-31-13 1:55 PM

Why would a township only resident get some of the $600,000, they don't pay any of it?? Are you capable of rational thought before you post comments?

The bottom line is, a safe, crime-free city will enhance the property values and quality of life for all residents in the community, both inside and outside the city limits. All rational individuals understand that.

Thus, consolidating the fire departments, which makes ENORMOUS sense from an economic standpoint, is a great first step in achieving more efficient government services, and properly aliging our resources, i.e. tax money, with our top priority: having a safe, crime-free city.

Let's get on with it.

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ladybug

Jul-31-13 2:06 PM

First of all we do pay part of it.Second why should Salem reap all the savings and benefits from such a deal ?

It would only be fair to receive half so we could buy new equip,increase our police force,

Sounds all one sided to me

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ladybug

Jul-31-13 2:11 PM

You want us to provide 2 station,6 pcs, of equip, our volunteers ,our tax money so your city can be a safier place to live,

Sorry where happy with what we have solve your own problems at someone else's exspence

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ladybug

Jul-31-13 2:12 PM

Youv'e acquired that me syndrome

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WatchDog

Jul-31-13 2:15 PM

Do you know what is the most watched procurement made by any municipality when it comes to expenditures of tax dollar funding? Fire trucks.

I think it's time to strengthen some local ethics requirements in this city and maybe enhance Public Transparency and Disclosure. Do you know what the number one hindering problem is when it comes to this type of expenditure. Municipalities just like city councils that are the "dark" and blind trust. That bid process can make or break municipality especially when the possibility of an investigation into the procurement occurs "after the fact". That's why States encourage municipalities to seek advice when it comes this type of procurement. It is amazing what a community analysis can make a difference not only when "Fighting fires but PREVENTING FIRES" and equipment that may or many NOT be needed.

Maybe it's time for city council to exam all aspects for this expenditure at hand.

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WatchDog

Jul-31-13 2:16 PM

I wonder when the city of salem will get past this behavior of "let's wait until it's broke" epic failure. The wasted tax dollars is ridiculous.

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