If found guilty. Of course, then he'll be hanging around (nyuk!) for 20+ years while the appeals are heard.
Unless they give him the McVeigh Express.
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My understanding is that McVeigh went quick because McVeigh wanted to go quick. Without the Perp willingly waiving all the rights to appeals, it will take a long time to finally give him the needle.
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I agree...when he's found guilty, he should be sentenced and put to death asap. McVeigh waived appeals.
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Well it may not be that easy. If he is guilty as charged. What if he plea bargains? He could agree to a lesser offense and get life in prison. It is going to be up to the prosecutor. With all the publicity in this case it would not surprise me if that is what happens. They may figure out that it would be almost impossible to sit a non-prejudiced jury that has not been tainted with all the media coverage not to mention evidence that may have been tainted which may not be permissable and the prosecutor will go for a sure thing and let him plea for a lesser charge and automatically get life in prison. Either way the kids life is pretty much over. Only if he gets life his living expense is going to be on the taxpayers.
He is a dead man either way. Death sentence or not... he will die in prison. You got to remember something. The terrorist group, (you will never convince me these two were working alone)that he was acting on behalf of is still out there. We are not only obligated to protect him from Americans, we are going to have to protect him from them. He didn't die for his cause. He cowarded out!
Exile him! Let the brotherhood of Muslims cut off his head! There...public problem solved.
concerned, you have me concerned...LOL
"If he is guilty as charged."
WHAT??????????? concerned right this minute, even if, they couldn't convict him on the bombing charges...do you realize how many different charges he has pending against him in the State of Mass? Just alone from the aftermath of the bombing...this kid is history and he don't have a prayer of not be found guilty. The evidence is so over whelming his fate is SEALED. He will never see the light of day again. Let me tell you this, I hope they do plea bargain. He pleads innocent to all these charges do you know what it will cost the taxpayers to try this case? I am hoping he pleas.
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Watchdog says: concerned, you have me concerned...LOL
"If he is guilty as charged."
Even this guy is to be presumed to be innocent until proven guilty. Whether we like it or not. See what I am saying about trying to find an impartial jury? It is going to months and months just to sit a jury. God help us if we ever let public opinion based on media revelations convict people. Face it Watchdog all any of us really know is what the media has told us.
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Watchdog It takes physical evidence to convict someone. That is why a lot of people walk because they don't have enough physical evidence to convict them. And it is going to take people that are willing to only look at that physical evidence to bring about that conviction. That is why I say it is going to be hard to find a jury. Most of America believe this guy is guilty already just based on what the media has told them.
If he wants a trial he will get one. With 4 aggravated murder counts, hundreds of felonious assault counts, numerous weapons violations, and anything else that gets brought up, the presentation of evidence will be made like items up for grabs at a fast paced auction. Especially since the defense attorneys will know trying to challenge the credibility of the evidence will not only be futile, but will also drag out their time (which could be spent more wisely on other unrelated matters) from a week or two to several months. The defense attorneys will know that their primary function will be to try to sway the jury in the end to give life in prison rather than a death sentence.
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Of course, we really don't know what this kid's medical condition is really like. He might be a permanent blob of jelly on a hospital bed and that could further complicate matters.
ILLEGALS IN SALEM:
"...He was taken back to the police department where another name of Omar Romero was located in documents in his wallet. U.S. Border Patrol and ICE were contacted and given the information found and John Doe was found to be in the country illegally. Both agencies refused to respond and take John Doe into custody. He was charged locally for the obstruction charge."
Our Police do their jobs, and Obama's administration lets him go. Great work, Feds!
salemnews.n et/page/content.detail/id/565102/POLICE-REPORTS.h tml?nav=5061
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"Even this guy is to be presumed to be innocent until proven guilty."
concerned I know exactly what you are getting at in this case. Under the constitution of the United States we are innocent until proven guilty in a court room of law. I hear what you are saying. As for the media circus, nothing we can do about it. Unless of course, we are willing to give up "freedom of speech". That is about the only way the media will be stopped. There is no fix for this without the constitution being violated one way or another.
They will find a jury for him. You have to remember there are already plenty of sympathizers out there churning away for his cause. He is getting preferential treatment now. Let me ask you this? How many Americans accused of crime laying up in hospital have a court system brought to their bedside? He got this. They have already charged him, read him his rights everybody got bent out of shape over. A judge went to his bedside.
It is know different than any other case in America. It is all public record from the start anyhow. His court documents are already online.
"ILLEGALS IN SALEM:"
You're so diligent in your copy pasting notsocialist. If you would only take the time to research a bit about what you are pasting, it would save me the time of having to constantly correct you!
First, there are a number of reasons this person could be here illegally. We don't know which one, henceforth, we don't know what proceedings there may be to have him removed. They don't just come with a paddy wagon, pick someone up and drive them to the border line individually.
Second, you may not like that there is a due process for such things, but there is.
Third, part of being a responsible citizen is researching before we throw little slingshots of muck out there for the world (or tiny salem news comment section readers) to observe.
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You cannot, well, you should not, as a responsible American (which you claim you are) take part in dishing out little snippet parts of stories to which you do not have a clue as to what the entire story consists of. You are a fear monger. And you appear to be what is exactly part of the problem America is facing nowadays. You rely on fear tactics and paranoia as a means of attempting (pitifully thank goodness) people your (diluted) way of thinking. Blech. Makes me nauseous.
"First, there are a number of reasons this person could be here illegally."
Who cares? He's here illegally, he's in police custody, get rid of him! One less out of the alleged 12 million we have to worry about. You have a problem with that?
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"Third, part of being a responsible citizen is researching before we throw little slingshots of muck out there for the world "
Nice try, no dice. The little slingshot of muck is from this paper, quoted from the report. What do you want, me to go interview the criminal and the police, maybe talk to the Editor, too?
It's because of people like you that we can't do what needs to be done. Get rid of people here illegally in our country, competing for American jobs, eating up (literally) American tax dollars, which illegal aliens use at 10 to 1 to the taxes they pay in.
He is here illegally. He is a criminal. He should be sent back t where he came from. Let the system work, as you say, keep him in jail until he is deported.
If you're so concerned, put your money where your mouth is. Take him in. Let him stay at YOUR house.
"You are a fear monger. And you appear to be what is exactly part of the problem America is facing nowadays. You rely on fear tactics and paranoia "
Ok, now quoting facts is 'fear mongering', 'fear tactics', and 'paranoia'. Since when? It's a quote from this paper about an incident in Salem, from an SPD report. Really?
"dishing out little snippet parts of stories to which you do not have a clue as to what the entire story consists of."
Why don't you tell us?
Here, just to make you happy :)
POLICE REPORTS April 25, 2013 Salem News
"- A person referred to as John Doe was taken to the Columbiana County jail on a charge of obstruction of official business after a traffic stop at 10:20 a.m. Monday on North Lincoln Avenue at the city limits. A passenger in the vehicle, he provided a name of Marcelino Francisco Sebastian but was found not to be the same person as the information given. He was taken back to the police department where another name of Omar Romero was located in documents in his wallet. U.S. Border Patrol and ICE were contacted and given the information found and John Doe was found to be in the country illegally. Both agencies refused to respond and take John Doe into custody. He was charged locally for the obstruction charge."
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He sneaked into the country, or overstayed a visa. He lied to the police. The Feds say he is here illegally. That's all the information I need.
"(or tiny salem news comment section readers)"
Big enough for you to spend time on though, huh?
"... it would save me the time of having to constantly correct you! "
Really? Don't remember seeing you here before. Or is it sunshine/phoenix/rightway now?
Some more facts for you to call 'fear mongering':
HEADLINE: USDA Flyer: We Don't Check Immigration Status for Food Stamps
"A government watchdog group has discovered that the United States government is advising Spanish-speaking residents that they need not declare their immigration status to qualify for food stamps."
"...Judicial Watch president Tom Fitton said of this discovery, the "USDA is actively working with the Mexican government to promote food stamps for illegal aliens." This implication, he asserted, "should have a direct impact on the fate of the immigration bill now being debated in Congress."
rightway...just wonder what reason you would give to allow this person to break the law?
notSocialist: Do you ever have an original thought, all I see is you posting BS from some BS website!
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