SALEM — Salem Renaissance won’t be going forward with plans for new banners in downtown Salem....
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I just find it interesting that it wasn't mentioned at all the first go-round.
And no, don't get defensive, not saying anything about ignorance, in fact I added in the 'I know it's before your time', not necessarily for you but for someone else who might read this and say, "whaat??!"
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Don't assume my age means ignorance. I've listened to Stairway to Heaven backwards.
HAAAAAAA...yeah. John Berlin is so against putting banners up that he's just making up the "it looks like it says Satan" thing and convinced others to say the same. There is some grand conspiracy here, I bet it has something to do with aliens and the Illuminati. Talk about things that aren't "plausible".
I know this controversy was well before your time, bu I own a few records that if you play them backwards they say Satan blah blah blah too (at least, to some people's ears!)
I dunno. Maybe you do take your ball and go home if you want to make a point. (Not that I personally like that.)
But the people mentioned, along with Dave Schwartz are respected and liked people that have good taste (Lois from Mountz Gallery, Elaine from Fiesta Shop, Elizabeth Thatcher, etc.) These are visual and artistic people--not sure they would miss seeing 'Satan'. I guess I'd like to see a picture of what their first and second banners looked like. (Was 'Satan' an excuse or was it valid?) We don't really know.
I'll tell you how you don't, you act like a child and walk away from the table pointing fingers.
A large part of my problem is that Mayor Berlin had representatives from the Chamber at the meeting, from the historical society, from the beautification committee, etc. And all had opinions.
You might as well have the health dept there and people from off the street.
You get too many people and too many groups saying 'I don't like this' 'I don't like that' or 'but I want this color' and 'I want our brand'.
Really--it needs our "brand"? That has nothing to do with Satan and Satan wasn't mentioned as an objection the first go-round.
All the above crap was more opinion, and there is no possible way to meet everyone's personal opinion approval.
I mean, how do you merge one person's "Historical Downtown Salem est. 1806" with someone else's 'that makes it too cluttered and too hard to read"
Exactly. They were met with resistance because their banners said SATAN and you people are crying foul on the city government? I'm glad I don't know what it's like to be that stupid.
The city council had nothing to do with the banners. Design review board, which has authority over this, was asked for approval. I don,t think that most people would want any group hanging whatever they want all over Salem. The mayor sits on the design review board. I am the liaison from city council to the DRB. I wasn't present when the banners were presented, so I didn't't witness the discussion. I did see the banner proposal in both forms. As I said before, it looked like Satan. I personally have already had complaints from citizens who thought Satan was written on a city st. And it did appear to say that. It is a mistake, I believe should be avoided. The banner designers didn't fix the problem on the redesign. So unfortunately the banners were withdrawn. But I think if the only choice is Satan banners, we are better off without them.
But ts, it wasn't council that Renaissance had to get approval from, it was from whomever mayor Berlin invited to the meeting--which was other little committees and groups. That is what is beyond my comprehension.
When do they have a chance to give input ladybug?
It seems simple. These committees should develop plans, submit them to the city, and at that point the executives and council sign off. A citizen committee should not be given carte blanche.
Don't you worry about that scaffolding.
A few more delays and idol promises .They'll get there sooner or later
ts1227 : They all had a chance to have their input.
Enough is enough.
Maybe the banners should be used to pretty up our lovely scaffolding?
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But too many cooks spoil the broth.
One group said you must add our "brand" of Historical Downtown Salem (regardless of how much space it takes up and how hard it is to read the rest) One person says I don't like the colors. Another one says use "Salem" colors. Another group says put this on top and take away that, the mayor says I guess I wasn't clear but don't have the lines between colors there.
How many groups do they have to satisfy? Mayor, council, chamber, beautification, historical--no way they could satisfy all. This is Not the way the city should be doing it.
Honestly the city is doing what they should have done all along. Why should these committes not have to have final review/approval by the city? I understand they may not have had to in the past (probably the politics of who headed the committee and who was in city hall at the time), but it seems to be a given that there should be a final approval by the city.
Don't get me wrong, there is absolutely notning wrong with people working to make the city a better place, and it's greatly appreciated, but you're sorely mistakened if you think the city should just hand you the keys and let you run with it.
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Hey, has anyone looked downtown?
Old banners down, Nothing to replace them. Just the sick-out things with nothing on them.
I guess Renaissance took their banners and went home.
Why is our city like this?
The fact there is people willing to step forward and donate their time is always met with resistance .
That's right Grant .The city could apply .But then again someone would have to do all the foot work involved.
Would you or anyone else care to donate the time ?
Wow, talk about shifting gears!
Can't help but grin, but boy, I left that one wide open for you--I half feel the urge to apologize, but that was too funny on several levels.
Maybe the Pearce Foundation would give this grant money to the city and maybe not. (But we all know the likelihood of the mayor and the beautification committee and the historical committee and the chamber all getting together to agree and act in the first place)
I would agree that the renaissance group was blocked from their desire to provide (give) the city these banners by hassle and hoops to jump thru. "Make it how we'd do it" (except you have multiple people saying that with multiple viewpoints) "and we'll let you do it". Yeah, that pretty much kills it.
They didn't block anything. And it's a "gift" in the form of a grant that city council could apply for and get on their own. I guess if this is front page news then the city government is doing something right.
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