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Tape details 911 call

PERRY TWP.

March 28, 2014

An emergency call which caused a question to be raised over the protocol for toning out the Perry Township Fire Department happened a little differently than originally described....

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WatchDog

Mar-29-14 2:30 PM

"So lets be clear, your telling me that one person CPR is more effective than two or more? And that the maybe one gallon of diesel fuel($4) it would have cost to get Perry FD, Salem FD, or EMT ambulance service would be a waste of money? That is a ridiculous comment."

Dokie, I agree that was a ridiculous comment and you should have never wrote it and try to lead it to what I NEVER SAID.

As for the rest of your comment. There is no argument. But having said that. That has no bearing on this call. That is just you trying to use the fear tactic in the public to justify a roll out on every call. A call we still do NOT have all the facts on.

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WatchDog

Mar-29-14 2:00 PM

"Since a man died, how much of this fingerpointing is cya against any potential lawsuits?"

Welp, questioner that is a huge point and question, I'd say if that was not a possibility before and if Crossman2 is correct with his theory, I'd say KLG stirring the pot, just forced that issue to be a possible potential now, if the family has been following any of this. Truly, truly sad.

After seeing some comments posted here have already been removed, nothing good can from any of this. It never does.

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WatchDog

Mar-29-14 1:40 PM

"Good luck with that :)"

I told her the same thing notSocialist. I think Patti already knew that bug wasn't going to cough up that information and she cleverly put a stop to all that police trashing he was doing. Some of that stuff he was writing was off the charts of wrong. He was taking it to far and I think he pulled her string. LOL

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Justin84

Mar-28-14 6:59 PM

And the ambulance was not very far away at all. They werent calling for "help" in that sense. I think the Salem News has played a small part in blowing this situation up

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Justin84

Mar-28-14 6:56 PM

Spot on crosman. You hit it on the nose. I spoke at length with Chief Witcher today. He followed the protocol outlined to him to handle inquiries from others. The trusties seem to be the fire starters. And watchdog, he explained the klg issue as well. There are two outfits running in town at 8 total units. They are servicing a very large area. It is common practice for them to call FD for help prior to arriving at a scene. In cases of not breathing victims, heart attacks, they use the FD to drive the ambulance while the emt/paramedics work. Doesnt require a first responder cert for that much. So that being said i withdraw any previous comments to the contrary.

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questioner

Mar-28-14 5:56 PM

Since a man died, how much of this fingerpointing is cya against any potential lawsuits?

And his relatives have my sympathy; I'm sorry to bring up a callous scenario, but one has to wonder.

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Crossman2

Mar-28-14 4:46 PM

As for why Whitcher didn't contact the sheriff's department or Stone directly, maybe he's not allowed to. You know the trustees like to be in control, plus they don't like to look bad in the paper

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Crossman2

Mar-28-14 4:40 PM

Two good questions Watchdog. Since I was unable to attend the meeting and I know that sometimes not everything that was said is printed in the story, I decided to watch the video of the meeting on the WRN website to see what actually happened at the meeting. From what I saw on the video, I'm going to say that KLG was who contacted the Fire Chief. Two reasons, the first is that there is a representative from KLG at the meeting, who actually asks a question. Nothing ever mentioned in the newspaper story about this person. I've watched perry meetings on WRN before and nobody ever attends these meetings, so to have someone from the ambulance company there backs up my theory. Second, Chief Whitcher said he gave a copy of the letter to Trustee Rudibaugh. So to me that says a formal letter was typed up and sent to Chief Whitcher. So a formal letter and someone from the ambulance actually at the meeting leads me to my conclusion.

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Dokies

Mar-28-14 4:37 PM

My point is that protocol was not followed. PerWhat is the purpose of having a protocol if it is not used. Watchdog:"What was KLG doing requesting anything if they were not there yet?" --According to the previous article KLG was out of town and needed assistance in responding.

"For what Dokie? No disrespect intended, but what did you want them to do when they got there, stand around and twindle their thumbs and WASTE TAXPAYER DOLLARS?"--So lets be clear, your telling me that one person CPR is more effective than two or more? And that the maybe one gallon of diesel fuel($4) it would have cost to get Perry FD, Salem FD, or EMT ambulance service would be a waste of money? That is a ridiculous comment. Who even knows how long it took KLG to get there. If you have ever actually done CPR you know that after one or two rounds your compressions are going to become less effective. Not to mention if there was backup w/ BVM, without oxygen is much more effective than giving

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WatchDog

Mar-28-14 4:23 PM

Justin, I think you may be right and I am starting to wonder if KLG is not taking advantage of that "protocol" and using it to cover their butts for their failures and dumping that escape on the fire departments.

Makes one wonder why KLG has made no comments in this matter.

I think they need to trash that "protocol" and follow federal guidelines instead of local BS.

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Justin84

Mar-28-14 3:36 PM

Good point watchdog. Why were they requesting anything? And where were they that they responded but werent in responding distance? All the ambulances in salem and none are ever here?

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WatchDog

Mar-28-14 3:28 PM

I think I see the problem with all of this. To many Chiefs and not enough Indians!!

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WatchDog

Mar-28-14 3:28 PM

"It seems negligent with the resources in the immediate area to not get every possible asset to an emergency."

For what Dokie? No disrespect intended, but what did you want them to do when they got there, stand around and twindle their thumbs and WASTE TAXPAYER DOLLARS?

Dokie, don't play with your heart, play with your head. The only thing I am starting to see. A lot of unnecessary roll outs to drive up statistics to justify a demand for those services. THAT is uncalled for. Do you know how much money is wasted when those first responders roll out and there is no need for them?

Sorry, but every contributing factor should be weighed in. A police department was there with the same qualifications that those fireman have and they are certified first responders.

My question. What was KLG doing requesting anything if they were not there yet? They do not have the authority to override the police on the scene and request anything.

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Justin84

Mar-28-14 3:20 PM

Ladybug, fyi i know exactly what im talking about. The FD having oxygen is irrelevant. Even if they showed up with it they or the PD could do nothing with it legally. So its existence is meaningless. Im not arguing the lack of following protocol. It should be followed precisely. But if the ambulance is 5 min away and the FD is 10min away isnt it a waste of a tone out? But for your sake call them and they can come to an empty yard and then go home? There is a huge problem between all the county VFD and the 911 system. If you all dont agree with Stone vote for Soldono next time. He was elected by the majority, so the minority has to do with his implementation of the policies. Simple enough? And the PD was probably available to respond. If he was tied up elsewhere he wouldnt have come. Was he dispatched there specifically?

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Dokies

Mar-28-14 2:52 PM

There's a lot of unknowns in this unfortunate tragedy. First my condolences to the family of member who passed away. My main question is how did the perry pd get called out and no other backup? If the the protocol with perry FD is as quoted in the article they should have been called, period. You can't ignore the fact that KLG specifically called the perry fire line and were not dispatched, even though the protocol with the sheriffs office were in place. Also, there are other departments in the area with mutual aid agreements, were they not called? It seems that they(sheriffs dispatch) called KLG and perry pd and that's it. Correct me if I'm wrong but there's at least one other private Ems in the Salem/perry Twsp area.I don't want to jump to conclusions without all of the facts. But with the information known it appears that not all was done for this member. It seems negligent with the resources in the immediate area to not get every possible asset to an emergency.

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WatchDog

Mar-28-14 2:24 PM

titans sez: "Stone would never take blame for anything, it's just the way he is"

What exactly are you wanting him to take blame for? I don't see anything where the dispatcher did anything wrong.

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WatchDog

Mar-28-14 2:19 PM

PattiHannah, I wouldn't hold my breath on that one. LOL

Can I ask you a question regarding this? Seeing you are reading this and I won't hold you to it if you don't want to. But do you see anywhere that this dispatcher did anything wrong? I honestly saying I am still confused on this. I think that protocol garbage is crazy and everybody is not understanding it.

I don't see yet why the FD is crying over this. They were not needed on this call. Am I wrong in my thinking?

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WatchDog

Mar-28-14 2:12 PM

Crossman2 sez: "it clearly says in the article that Chief Whitcher was checking on the progress of the issue that he notified Trustee Rudibaugh about after the incident occurred. So, Mr. Rudibaugh was aware of the problem and did nothing about it. The last article about this quoted Stone saying he wondered why he had to find out about it from the media and thought he would have heard from Whitcher or the trustees. It's seems to me who dropped the ball, as usual."

That still does not answer the question as to where Chief Whitcher got that initial information. And it does not answer as to why Chief Whitcher did not take that hearsay information from that unknown party and professionally contact Sheriff Stone with that inquiry that could have prevented this circus in the newspaper. THEN if Chief Whitcher was unable to resolve it with Sheriff Stone, then and only then, should he have gone to Mr. Rudibaugh and all of this marlarky could have been avoided.

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WatchDog

Mar-28-14 1:59 PM

"Well, watchdog, I guess you were right."

Well, no questioner, I was not right and I am not conceited enough to claim it. I just didn't think it was right to jump to a conclusion and hop on somebody's wagon until both sides of the story was out. That why I wanted to point out a few facts in question form. There is still a lot of unanswered questions.

I just don't think it is right that our First Responders behave like this. It is unprofessional and wrong on every level. This constant battling between fire and police services is ridiculous. This junk of who is more qualified than the other is over the edge of insanity. I am fed up with it because it does nothing but cause constant divide and mistrust in the public and it is uncalled for.

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PattiHannah

Mar-28-14 12:23 PM

ladybug writes: "I seen the same thing happen 2 houses up 2 yrs. ago.

While everyone stumbled around thinking what to do.

Salem fire showed up and finally did something.The ambulance finally got there10 to 15 minutes later.

Perry Twn fire was never called ,Only 1/2 mi away.

The poor guy didn't make it."

That is a very disturbing allegation ladybug. I would be more than happy to pull all public records on that alleged incident if you would be so kind to supply the address where that incident occurred that you personally wittnessed.

I would be more than happy to cross reference each agency's involvement and pull those incident reports. Then if it will satisfy you and the Public, I will be more than a happy to share that information here. Including all case number references so you ladybug can file an official complaint with the proper authorities in that alleged matter you speak about.

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GrantMingus

Mar-28-14 12:20 PM

Oh yeah, and those two guys had no equipment...

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GrantMingus

Mar-28-14 12:16 PM

Because why do you need us if your services are just as good? Like the apartment fire in November, in Perry Township, where Salem showed up in less than 5 minutes and evacuated everyone, while Perry showed up with 2 guys five minutes after everyone was out of the building.

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GrantMingus

Mar-28-14 12:05 PM

But hey, that's fine. Here is my proposal. We end mutual aid, Salem starts their own volunteer service to supplement the full timers in the event of a fire. We raise the water rates outside of the city so that we can lower ours in town. You don't want to play ball, then go home.

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GrantMingus

Mar-28-14 12:01 PM

LOL. Nonsense, nonsense, nonsense. Par for your course.

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ladybug

Mar-28-14 11:06 AM

Your little fire district offered nothing at improving services to both communities .

The way it was going Salem would have suffered big time.

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