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Murder house raided

SALEM

March 26, 2014

A home where a man was slain in December was raided Tuesday by the Columbiana County Drug Task Force....

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questioner

Mar-26-14 2:54 AM

Always hate it when I read a line like, "along with a 2 year old boy".

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Arca23

Mar-26-14 9:37 AM

Yep. They dont even have a chance...

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CyndiBaronzziDickey

Mar-27-14 6:38 AM

I just want to say that this makes me very sad. I went to school in Lisbon with mr. Lewis. He was a nice guy then and his mother and father were kind well respected people. Two of his brothers went to school with us also and were also very popular students. His oldest brother, father of the two involved in the murder had been in trouble with the law on more than one occasion. I would have considered mark a friend, but after college, I ran into him downtown and noticed that he was different and he said he had some domestic violence problems. Years past and I heard rumors of drug involvement, then the wing warehouse shooting incident. That drugs can change people so entirely is frightening. This is not the man I grew up with. All should take notice. I always thought people involved in murder and drug dealing had always been bad. Or been from bad families. I see that it can be the drugs themselves among other things that changes people so much. There have been two murders caused by this

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CyndiBaronzziDickey

Mar-27-14 6:39 AM

Family now as well as other crimes. What does it take to walk away from a life of drugs? If murder doesn't do it, what will?

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GrantMingus

Mar-27-14 12:58 PM

That's a pretty shortsighted assumption, is anyone ever a bad person until they're a bad person? I'm not sure anyone is inherently bad. There are countless stories of people who grew up in terrible situations and around terrible people, and even drugs, and made great lives for themselves. Also countless stories of successful good people breaking and becoming bad people.

Ever watched the show Breaking Bad?

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WatchDog

Mar-27-14 2:29 PM

"What does it take to walk away from a life of drugs? If murder doesn't do it, what will?"

It will happen when people stop making excuses for their bad choices and supplying them with the sympathy and excuses that gives them the power to continue to make their bad choices in life. They have grown dependent upon our sympathy and that is worse than the drugs.

Councilwoman, stop playing with your heart and start playing with your head.

You can't force the change upon them. They have to admit to themselves and they have to want the change. We got to quit making it easy for them. Our sympathy and our shock of sadness and oh my, these poor innocent people, those nasty drugs are doing this to them, I knew them when, I knew their families, boo hoo hoo.

What drugs have done to them is a PROVEN failure by how we react to it.

Their dependance upon those drugs was the choice they made and NOBODY ELSE.

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WatchDog

Mar-27-14 2:30 PM

I don't care about these people and they are grown adults. Has caring fixed their drug problem? NOPE. Has sympathy for them fixed their drugs problems? NOPE

The only person in this whole miserable story that I have concern and sympathy for is the victim in this. That CHILD and that is the only true victim.

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WatchDog

Mar-27-14 2:38 PM

I hope our officers run them out of town and they don't look back. I hope the courts pounce hard of them for violating the law. I hope the courts stop sympathizing with their drug excuses for their crimes they commit. It is a life style and one they chose.

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WatchDog

Mar-27-14 2:41 PM

This doesn't make me sad, this makes me FURIOUS. WE have all become the VICTIM of their choices and their life styles.

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WatchDog

Mar-27-14 2:47 PM

Great post Grant and I agree.

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questioner

Mar-27-14 3:02 PM

Don't know what drug stuff was found here, but somebody tell me--Is drug education is part of what's taught in school?--I truly don't know.

Yes, I know parents should talk about it with their kids, but a lot of parents are naive. Plus some have a tendency to exaggerate the potential problems so kids ignore it all.

But meth especially--tell me that someone is telling kids that this is one that really can hook you right away. And kicking it is almost impossible.

I know the obvious--people take it to feel better or to escape. Alternatives there are pretty much up to the family and friends.

But someone tell me we are trying to educate our kids, especially about meth.

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CyndiBaronzziDickey

Mar-27-14 8:05 PM

Watchdog, I don't disagree. It is a choice. My point is that people need to realize that drugs can change a person so much that two murders in the family don't stop the life style from continuing. How much worse does it need to get? It needs to stop now. And no one should believe that they can control how drugs affect them or have the attitude that it won't happen to me. It can.

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GrantMingus

Mar-28-14 10:01 AM

"I hope our officers run them out of town and they don't look back. I hope the courts pounce hard of them for violating the law. I hope the courts stop sympathizing with their drug excuses for their crimes they commit. It is a life style and one they chose."

This is where we start to differ Watchdog. This is not an effective strategy to fight the drug problems that our country has. Not sure what more evidence you need than the fact that it's gone on for decades, had literally billions of dollars pumped into it and still drug use grows and grows. It is not a problem that the police can solve, ever.

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GrantMingus

Mar-28-14 10:01 AM

The judicial system can't even keep drugs out of prisons...

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rpmwwe

Mar-28-14 12:49 PM

Trying to get someone to walk away from the drug life is nearly impossible. Our efforts should be directed toward those not yet drawn into it with prevention strategies. No, it is not a perfect solution, but it is likely to be more effective than trying to recover those already lost. We, as a society, need to make drug use shameful again, although I doubt that happens anytime soon since society seems to be going through another do-whatever-you-want-to-do phase.

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GrantMingus

Mar-28-14 2:48 PM

I completely disagree. That is what we do now and what we've done for the last several decades. It does not work. The evidence favors that statement overwhelmingly. Blows my mind that some people who say "one more gun law won't stop people from breaking the gun laws" want to attack a different problem in essentially the same fashion.

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WatchDog

Mar-28-14 5:51 PM

Councilwoman, I understand completely and I am sorry that I sounded so bold it was not intended to disagree or discredit you. It is the overall general perception. I am furious with the drug problem and it is turning into a never ending saga that just goes on and on and on. It infuriates me to see our officers running full blast to have the other systems working against them. It is turning into a vicious circle that just keeps turning and we are getting no where with it.

I am past sympathy for these people. We as a community have done our parts. We spend billions and billions of dollars trying to give these people resources to clean up their addictions and life styles. These programs are not working because now they have become the crutch of their choices.

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WatchDog

Mar-28-14 5:54 PM

"It is not a problem that the police can solve, ever."

Ok Grant, I don't disagree with you about the war on drugs. But if it is not a problem for the police to solve, whose problem is it?

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WatchDog

Mar-28-14 5:55 PM

The judicial system can't even keep drugs out of prisons...

It is not their system to begin with. That falls on corrections.

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GrantMingus

Mar-28-14 6:56 PM

It's societies problem. We haven't spent billions of dollars trying to help these people, we've spent billions of dollars locking them up. I don't pretend to have all of the answers to solve the problem, but it's clear that what we've done hasn't worked. The problem just grows.

One thing I think we can do is start promoting actual information and stop with propaganda. I think legalizing marijuana is a huge step in the right direction, it's not a gateway drug, it's a gateway into the black market where the other drugs are offered and readily available. The truth is, the real problems exist with things like meth, crack and that hero stuff that we can't spell here, and we probably have to accept that we can't ever completely eradicate that problem. But if you take over the black market's cash crop, put revenues into actual treatment and not caged "rehabilitation", you'd put a huge tent in the use of those harder drugs that actually destroy people's lives.

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GrantMingus

Mar-28-14 6:58 PM

Oh, and if corrections isn't part of the judicial system, what part of the bureaucracy is it? Calling it corrections makes it sound even worse. Oh, you're addicted to shooting up black tar? Ok, we'll lock you up and "correct" that problem by putting you in an environment where you can still get it.

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GrantMingus

Mar-28-14 7:00 PM

If you don't buy my black market thing, then name the present day Al Capone when it comes to alcohol.

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rpmwwe

Mar-29-14 3:54 AM

There's no Al Capone of alcohol anymore because weed has replaced it as the outlaw thing people like to do because they aren't allowed to do it. Legalize weed and something else will take its place, and so on. Next thing you know, our future presidential candidates will all be dancing around the question of whether or not they have ever shot up. A line has to drawn somewhere or we might as well legalize everything.

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rpmwwe

Mar-29-14 3:56 AM

Looking at the drug problem as a problem all by itself is what has not been working for the last several decades. Its easy to get wrapped up in the drug culture when no one in your family or peer group cares. Having state governments, and now the federal government, showing weakness on the issue isn't helping the matter either. If that isn't sending mixed messages to parents and kids then I don't know what else it could be. The drug problem won't get under control until we address all of the social issues that have brought about the growing apathy, incompetent government, and moral breakdown in this country. Rampant drug use isn't a problem...its a symptom.

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rpmwwe

Mar-29-14 1:45 PM

Exactly!

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