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Murder house raided

SALEM

March 26, 2014

A home where a man was slain in December was raided Tuesday by the Columbiana County Drug Task Force....

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WatchDog

Mar-30-14 2:16 PM

Al Capone? Grant every time you use that ridiculous crap I bust out laughing.

Come into the 21st century Grant. By the way, WHO IS THE NEW AL CAPONE of Drugs, the cops would love to know that one? Because if America gets as STUPID as you are about drugs we want to make sure the history books credit the right guy so his name can down in HISTORY!

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WatchDog

Mar-30-14 2:11 PM

"This is a pointless conversation to have with you Watchdog. Your entire foundation is based in propaganda, nonsense theory, and fiction."

Propaganda, nonsense theory and fiction! Is that the best you can do? Seriously?

One more time, what is the end game Grant? You want to legalize those drugs? You want to convince everybody your right and I am just pushing propaganda, nonsense and fiction.

WHAT IS THE END GAME? You don't want cops handling this anymore. WHAT IS THE END GAME GRANT.

How will legalizing marijuana STOP THE ADDICTIONS?

Come on Grant, you want everybody to fall your habit legalization. PUT UP OR SHUT UP.

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GrantMingus

Mar-29-14 11:32 PM

HA! There is no Al Capone because there is no black market.

This is a pointless conversation to have with you Watchdog. Your entire foundation is based in propaganda, nonsense theory, and fiction.

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WatchDog

Mar-29-14 4:20 PM

Approx. 700,000 street cops working drugs vs. 300 million people. Did you really think the "War on Drugs" would be effective?

Then add this to the "war on drugs".

Law-weak, no deterrent strength, political.

Police-Tough Zero Tolerant application.

Courts, weak, re-peat offenders, Medically Driven, Political.

Corrections-Hotel Hiltons and NO PUNISHMENT.

I don't think it has EVER stood a chance for a winning war!

America, got soft.

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WatchDog

Mar-29-14 4:06 PM

"It's societies problem."

NO it's not and every drug user, drug dealer and rehab health care system in America thanks you for that continual FAILURE and EXCUSE.

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WatchDog

Mar-29-14 3:52 PM

Grant, legalizing marijuana only leads them to lacing marijuana with another controlled substance, that leads to another controlled substance and that leads to another controlled substance. THERE is no END GAME.

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WatchDog

Mar-29-14 3:50 PM

"Calling it corrections makes it sound even worse."

Grant, don't be mad at me that just happens to be how the criminal justice systems framework is laid out.

Laws Policing Courts Corrections

I don't make the framework.

You think the solution is legalizing. You are very spooky person.

By the way, I still patiently await for the end game of throwing in the towel on drugs that you still can not come up with.

How will legalizing marijuana stop ADDICTIONS and a LIFE STYLE they have chosen?

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rpmwwe

Mar-29-14 1:45 PM

Exactly!

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rpmwwe

Mar-29-14 3:56 AM

Looking at the drug problem as a problem all by itself is what has not been working for the last several decades. Its easy to get wrapped up in the drug culture when no one in your family or peer group cares. Having state governments, and now the federal government, showing weakness on the issue isn't helping the matter either. If that isn't sending mixed messages to parents and kids then I don't know what else it could be. The drug problem won't get under control until we address all of the social issues that have brought about the growing apathy, incompetent government, and moral breakdown in this country. Rampant drug use isn't a problem...its a symptom.

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rpmwwe

Mar-29-14 3:54 AM

There's no Al Capone of alcohol anymore because weed has replaced it as the outlaw thing people like to do because they aren't allowed to do it. Legalize weed and something else will take its place, and so on. Next thing you know, our future presidential candidates will all be dancing around the question of whether or not they have ever shot up. A line has to drawn somewhere or we might as well legalize everything.

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GrantMingus

Mar-28-14 7:00 PM

If you don't buy my black market thing, then name the present day Al Capone when it comes to alcohol.

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GrantMingus

Mar-28-14 6:58 PM

Oh, and if corrections isn't part of the judicial system, what part of the bureaucracy is it? Calling it corrections makes it sound even worse. Oh, you're addicted to shooting up black tar? Ok, we'll lock you up and "correct" that problem by putting you in an environment where you can still get it.

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GrantMingus

Mar-28-14 6:56 PM

It's societies problem. We haven't spent billions of dollars trying to help these people, we've spent billions of dollars locking them up. I don't pretend to have all of the answers to solve the problem, but it's clear that what we've done hasn't worked. The problem just grows.

One thing I think we can do is start promoting actual information and stop with propaganda. I think legalizing marijuana is a huge step in the right direction, it's not a gateway drug, it's a gateway into the black market where the other drugs are offered and readily available. The truth is, the real problems exist with things like meth, crack and that hero stuff that we can't spell here, and we probably have to accept that we can't ever completely eradicate that problem. But if you take over the black market's cash crop, put revenues into actual treatment and not caged "rehabilitation", you'd put a huge tent in the use of those harder drugs that actually destroy people's lives.

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WatchDog

Mar-28-14 5:55 PM

The judicial system can't even keep drugs out of prisons...

It is not their system to begin with. That falls on corrections.

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WatchDog

Mar-28-14 5:54 PM

"It is not a problem that the police can solve, ever."

Ok Grant, I don't disagree with you about the war on drugs. But if it is not a problem for the police to solve, whose problem is it?

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WatchDog

Mar-28-14 5:51 PM

Councilwoman, I understand completely and I am sorry that I sounded so bold it was not intended to disagree or discredit you. It is the overall general perception. I am furious with the drug problem and it is turning into a never ending saga that just goes on and on and on. It infuriates me to see our officers running full blast to have the other systems working against them. It is turning into a vicious circle that just keeps turning and we are getting no where with it.

I am past sympathy for these people. We as a community have done our parts. We spend billions and billions of dollars trying to give these people resources to clean up their addictions and life styles. These programs are not working because now they have become the crutch of their choices.

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GrantMingus

Mar-28-14 2:48 PM

I completely disagree. That is what we do now and what we've done for the last several decades. It does not work. The evidence favors that statement overwhelmingly. Blows my mind that some people who say "one more gun law won't stop people from breaking the gun laws" want to attack a different problem in essentially the same fashion.

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rpmwwe

Mar-28-14 12:49 PM

Trying to get someone to walk away from the drug life is nearly impossible. Our efforts should be directed toward those not yet drawn into it with prevention strategies. No, it is not a perfect solution, but it is likely to be more effective than trying to recover those already lost. We, as a society, need to make drug use shameful again, although I doubt that happens anytime soon since society seems to be going through another do-whatever-you-want-to-do phase.

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GrantMingus

Mar-28-14 10:01 AM

The judicial system can't even keep drugs out of prisons...

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GrantMingus

Mar-28-14 10:01 AM

"I hope our officers run them out of town and they don't look back. I hope the courts pounce hard of them for violating the law. I hope the courts stop sympathizing with their drug excuses for their crimes they commit. It is a life style and one they chose."

This is where we start to differ Watchdog. This is not an effective strategy to fight the drug problems that our country has. Not sure what more evidence you need than the fact that it's gone on for decades, had literally billions of dollars pumped into it and still drug use grows and grows. It is not a problem that the police can solve, ever.

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CyndiBaronzziDickey

Mar-27-14 8:05 PM

Watchdog, I don't disagree. It is a choice. My point is that people need to realize that drugs can change a person so much that two murders in the family don't stop the life style from continuing. How much worse does it need to get? It needs to stop now. And no one should believe that they can control how drugs affect them or have the attitude that it won't happen to me. It can.

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questioner

Mar-27-14 3:02 PM

Don't know what drug stuff was found here, but somebody tell me--Is drug education is part of what's taught in school?--I truly don't know.

Yes, I know parents should talk about it with their kids, but a lot of parents are naive. Plus some have a tendency to exaggerate the potential problems so kids ignore it all.

But meth especially--tell me that someone is telling kids that this is one that really can hook you right away. And kicking it is almost impossible.

I know the obvious--people take it to feel better or to escape. Alternatives there are pretty much up to the family and friends.

But someone tell me we are trying to educate our kids, especially about meth.

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WatchDog

Mar-27-14 2:47 PM

Great post Grant and I agree.

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WatchDog

Mar-27-14 2:41 PM

This doesn't make me sad, this makes me FURIOUS. WE have all become the VICTIM of their choices and their life styles.

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WatchDog

Mar-27-14 2:38 PM

I hope our officers run them out of town and they don't look back. I hope the courts pounce hard of them for violating the law. I hope the courts stop sympathizing with their drug excuses for their crimes they commit. It is a life style and one they chose.

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