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Salem firefighters eager to try out new platform truck

February 25, 2014

SALEM — Salem’s new 102-foot platform fire truck arrived at the station Monday afternoon, full of bells and whistles and features to increase the department’s safety and life-saving capabilities....

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outlaw

Feb-25-14 3:18 AM

now is that not just the purtiest thing you ever laid eyes on? lot of moola to parked up in a fire house until needed for a couple of buildings. can't see how they can use it regulary, cost us a fortune to run it, hope the powers to be counted on those costs?

got hand to jeff he sure knows how to con those admin people.

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oakleaves

Feb-25-14 6:54 AM

This truck is needed whether you think it is or not. With the hospital expansion, smith Center, all the manufacturing businesses and the buildings downtown we are lucky to have it. The other ladder truck could not reach the top floor of Smith Center due to the angle from the street. Gee could it cost anymore to operate than those massive street department trucks that can be seen cruising around town, except when plowing snow!! So I see this to be no con on Jeff's part, but smart business looking out for the safety of the citizens of Salem and their property. WHICH IS HIS JOB!!

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ladybug

Feb-25-14 7:35 AM

Some people come on here and make comments about things they have no clue what their talking about.

A couple of bldg. Does that include all your manufacturing concerns , all of down town , the hospital , sores like walmart, home depot etc.

Maybe you go down and learn about the needs before playing the big shot .

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WatchDog

Feb-25-14 4:31 PM

Oakleaves sez: "This truck is needed whether you think it is or not."

Did they need a new truck? YES. Without doubt. I supported a new truck. It was an absolute disgrace that our City was so irresponsible over the years that they let that department go 20 years with that deteriorating junk truck that nickles and dimes this city apart.

Hopefully, somebody with a brain will develop a plan that will let Jeff trade in and out this new monster within in 6 to 7 years and replace it out with a COST long term saving plan so the we don't have to bare those ridiculous costs as we just did to replace it. High time this City gets their priorities straight when it comes to operating this City. I really don't care who this ticks off.

Is their safety a priority concern? Big YES, as it should be with ANY department of this city, including the Streets department you tried to degrade with non importance.

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WatchDog

Feb-25-14 4:32 PM

Did they need this SPECFIC truck? Oakleaves, you don’t know that, I don’t know that. The only thing we can do is make opinions and voice our concerns. As for the expertise in this matter, we ALL better hope and pray that Jeff did more than just his job that our City Council did their job and crossed their T’s and dotted their I’s before they gave their blessing on this decision. This matter is not as simple as you eloquently wrote for the “NEED”. That is crap and you know it. Jeff didn’t just waltz into Council and stated we need this truck to reach the top of the Smith Floor. Everything has to be assessed including the entire city of residential homes, not just the businesses. This purchase and decision is major. That is why experts of this State encourage cities that are making these huge expenses and decisions to get a pre-assessment done by outside people. I am assuming they were smart enough to do that.

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WatchDog

Feb-25-14 4:32 PM

That big new toy can break or make this city and they know it. That means Jeff had a criteria list of things he had to do. From mitigation assessments right down to risk assessments and responsibility agreements with all those buildings you mention. In fact, council will probably have to make a few ordinances in relevance to this matter and this new City toy. It was not an easy job. There are many things had to be taken into consideration on record with this City and Council that included even other departments of this City and their reports. You better hope and pray that everybody in this city did his or her job on this major purchase decision for the need of this specific truck. Quite the contrary, this IS NOT the 1950’s this is 2014. We are living in the era of liability.

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WatchDog

Feb-25-14 4:32 PM

Outlaw my sweet friend, your comment concerns me, if you know something. Now is the time. Even though we have certain members of council that play the sit down and shut up, it’s none of your business what we do, go plant a few posies and play the “pride” game there are members of council that would appreciate your input. They don’t al l claim to be jacks of all trades and know it alls. They have all that information available, it’s public record and if they can tweak something that can make a difference, help them. It will help this City overall then please do it. Get all that information and review it. Doesn’t mean Jeff did it wrong, something he may have overlooked. Point it out. There a by far NOT PERFECT.

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CyndiBaronzziDickey

Feb-26-14 6:27 AM

Thank you all. I pray none of us needs this truck, but if we do, it is here. This truck has been in they works since before I took office, but real research has occurred over the last year. Council was given the run down on its uses in they city and surrounding areas, cost to operate, cost to expand the existing firehouse, and equipment and training to use it. It is complicated. I personally research the deal, going on line to see if there were better financial choices available and the market for these trucks new or used is very limited. Our old equipment really didn't meet the city needs now. Imagine trying to get a very large or disabled body out of a fire in a tall or deep building. The expense is a concern, but what value does your life have? If there are things we need to do that haven't been done, please, let me know. That is why I am here. Thank you.

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EATTHERICH

Feb-26-14 10:57 AM

guess salem regional is happy.we have a truck that can reach the top floor of the new addition.

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WatchDog

Feb-26-14 5:57 PM

"Council was given the run down on its uses in they city and surrounding areas, cost to operate, cost to expand the existing firehouse, and equipment and training to use it."

Councilwoman Dickey are you saying that was all? Please, please tell me there was more presented to you in this vital decision?

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zerotolerance

Feb-27-14 12:45 AM

Watchdog, your killing me gurl! Anybody with a brain knows where you are going with all that. You know they didn't do any of that stuff. This council? Quit beating around the bush and ask the questions you know your dying to do it. You really think Jefro gave them the cons to go along with the pros of owning this size of truck? NOT. It was sweet deal on a demo and nothing else mattered except that. It is a done deal.

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Watchdogg

Feb-27-14 1:16 AM

Councilwoman Dickey, you should know that no matter how helpful you are by offering facts to help understand why your thorough evaluation might offer comfort that justifies the purchase, we nega-bloggers don’t acknowledge truth or positive input. We will always seek out the negative angle, like ignoring the fact that we have a new firetruck to give needed access to the top floors the $44M investment made by our Hospital, an investment that will likely give us sedentary bloggers and all our citizens the dignity of our own private room should we have to incur the leading edge treatments available by our hospital. Even though you personally took it upon yourself to do a thorough analysis to protect your wards’ tax dollars, we assume you don’t know what you’re doing and should have wasted money on a “pre-assessment” and hired “outside people.” We ignore the fact that you made the effort to run for office and were voted into position by our citizens, who obviously have confidence in you.

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Watchdogg

Feb-27-14 1:19 AM

We certainly didn’t vote for you because we don’t vote, unless of course it’s to turn down any type of taxes. Speaking of taxes, you’d think that since our local businesses are investing many millions in new buildings that require additional safety equipment like a firetruck, or that the crime and drug problem that’s affecting not just Salem but all the surrounding communities, is overwhelming our police force, that we’d actually consider a tax, but you’d be wrong. We nega-bloggers thrive on blaming the police and other public servants for not doing a good enough job and don’t actually want things to improve or else we couldn’t hide behind our computers and attack do-gooders like yourself. We even make threats like: if you, the other councilpersons and the chief didn’t “do your jobs and cross the T’s and dot the I’s,” that you will pay dear consequences in this “era of liability,” whatever that means. Ignore the fact that our city attorney overssees the lagality of council actions.

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zerotolerance

Feb-27-14 2:16 AM

WTH? Who is that fruitcake? Watchdogg? I've seen boot lickers before but this one takes the cake. Watchdog you pizzed off somebody big time. They don't want the truth coming out.

your thorough evaluation might offer comfort that justifies the purchase?

Comfort? Cyndi please coddle me. lol This reject is sick.

we have a new firetruck to give needed access to the top floors the $44M investment made by our Hospital? That was why we bought this truck?

What about the rest of the City you boot licker? Like all these other areas that this truck can't now access?

citizens the dignity of our own private room should we have to incur the leading edge treatments available by our hospital? What leading edge treatments? This hospital can't even handle critical care patients. Those choppers and ambulances look like grand central station in and out of there. There a pit stop hospitality center.

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zerotolerance

Feb-27-14 2:33 AM

Dignity of our own private room? Bud, you need some mental help, what did you do reserve a room in your name? It's a hospital not a 5 star hotel.

should have wasted money on a “pre-assessment” and hired “outside people.” Hire who? Buddy obviously you don't have a clue. Hope your not a council person.

We nega-bloggers thrive on blaming the police and other public servants for not doing a good enough job and don’t actually want things to improve or else we couldn’t hide behind our computers and attack do-gooders like yourself?

Who attacked Cyndi bootlicker?

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zerotolerance

Feb-27-14 2:49 AM

Speaking of taxes? Yes let's talk about taxes. When do you think council will work on decreasing taxes bootlicker?

"We even make threats like: if you, the other councilpersons and the chief didn’t “do your jobs and cross the T’s and dot the I’s,” that you will pay dear consequences in this “era of liability,” whatever that means."

Threats? lol Whatever that means? If you have to ask then what are you running your mouth about bootlicker? Go crawl back under the rock you came from.

I'm out of here. I got go get ready to go deal with the bad guys and need some sleep. In the meantime, bootlicker maybe with a bit of luck, YOU will cross my path and I can get another fruitloop off the street.

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ladybug

Feb-27-14 6:06 AM

Real nice post !

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ladybug

Feb-27-14 6:40 AM

Real professional >

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ladybug

Feb-27-14 6:51 AM

What information do you feel was lacking Watchdog ?

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ladybug

Feb-27-14 6:53 AM

And regaurdless what you think .

I feel Salem Hospital is a very good general ,local facility.

No it's not a Cleveland Clinic or PMC . But then again there dealing with a much smaller patient base.

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ladybug

Feb-27-14 6:54 AM

I hope you don't take that attitude with you on the job zero,

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ladybug

Feb-27-14 7:00 AM

Yes fire equipment is not cheap. A new pumper cost upwards of $300000 and more now,

Common sense says this piece will be used to reach the up floors of all buildings in town.

For rescue or fire repression.

It's not always possible to get inside or safe, And I don't know of any 100ft plus extension ladders

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KsBug79

Feb-27-14 8:46 AM

Zero, not sure where you're coming from except to try to expose watchdogg is not Watchdog. Ok we get that. But listen people, none of you would keep a 23 yr. old vehicle at your residence that you're putting thousands of dollars into monthly to keep it serviceable. Why is anyone knocking the fact that the old ladder truck needed replaced? No one screams when the police get new cruisers, well no, they need to to catch the bad guys. No one screams when the street dept. gets a new 80,000.00 truck. Do you own an 80,000.00 truck at your house? I doubt it. The necessity of this vehicle is to keep the citizens and buisnesses safe, no matter who they are. Upgrades and replacements!! Not a hard concept!!!

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WatchDog

Feb-27-14 2:15 PM

Yes Dirtdogg, how well we are aware that that you want it to be "sit down and shut up, it’s none of your business what we do, go plant a few posies and play the “pride” game"!

Keep talking Dogg!

I wonder when this jerk is going to learn, that is not going to happen. Every homeowner, taxpayer, business owner, consumer has a RESPONSIBILITY to ensure that our elected officials are doing their jobs effectively and efficiently, ignoring that obligation would be gross neglect on our part.

That might anger you Dogg, but welcome to the real world. Anybody who goes to the lengths you do to shame and try silence anyone with the tactics you are using is a HUGE RED FLAG.

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WatchDog

Feb-27-14 2:21 PM

Dogg, you owe City Councilwoman Dickey a huge apology for that embarrassing remark. How dare you insinuate that she is nothing more that a God that has to come in here and try to "comfort" the poor little scared lambs by telling them what is YOU think they need to hear.

How dare you insult her and the public.

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