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Salem firefighters eager to try out new platform truck

February 25, 2014

SALEM — Salem’s new 102-foot platform fire truck arrived at the station Monday afternoon, full of bells and whistles and features to increase the department’s safety and life-saving capabilities....

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Salemres

Mar-10-14 10:02 PM

Wow, Mr. Drummond did what no one else even thought of doing. He went and talked to the guys that drive and operate fire apparatus. His comment also suggested anyone with concerns or questions could stop by and talk to the firemen. It's obvious that will never happen due to the 5 people that bicker on every article on here are already experts on fire trucks. To be honest I live in "Clyde's Hood" and I seen the new truck driving in our hood on Sunday and watched it turn at 2 locations with no problem. I'm no expert truck driver but it didn't go over the curb our through yards like other trucks going through town do. Another point is if I needed rescued from my second floor I would much rather ride to the ground in bucket than climb down a ladder. It might be a good idea for the firemen to have a demo day and hopefully have a good turnout so the 5 negative Nellies on here can still hide behind their screen names. Just my 2 cents.

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RickDrummond

Mar-08-14 12:38 PM

I have met with Capt. Mason, Lt. Vernon and several other firefighters to talk about the new truck. First, they invite any member of the public to stop by the station to see the new truck, ask questions and have any concerns addressed. They have reiterated that this new truck will go wherever the old truck would go. Until the truck is ready to go into service, members of the department have been taking the truck out to get used to its handling and are impressed with its handling given it's size. Every member of the department I spoke to feel this truck is an excellent value for the money spent (a $1.2m truck for $850k). Again, anyone with questions or concerns can visit the station and they will gladly address them.

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GrantMingus

Mar-07-14 8:35 AM

I'm going to be completely honest with you, I don't respect you enough intellectually, based simply on what you've written here over time, to actually engage you on anything. I already know it will be a waste of time. It's called foresight.

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JamesAustin

Mar-06-14 7:18 PM

When you going to answer my questions needle nose? Better more, when you going to offer up something of value on this fire truck worth hearing instead of this junk?

If you can't, say you can't. We already know YOU CAN'T. Isn't that how it works needle nose?

Let us know when you get done jogging.

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GrantMingus

Mar-06-14 1:54 PM

LOL..you can't even follow the conversation. I didn't ask the question. Someone else did, after she insinuated that she knew they bought the wrong truck. Good luck debunking that one.

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JamesAustin

Mar-06-14 1:23 PM

I wouldn't have answered that question myself. It was an ignorant question that had not one bit of sense behind it or any logical reasoning to answered. Besides everybody already knows you asked it and why. You gave it way in your own comment you idiot.

Quit boring us with your garbage comments.

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JamesAustin

Mar-06-14 1:19 PM

danm mingus, do you ever dry up? Do you know how stupid you look about right now? You were dumb enough to spit this out? "How ironic that you would say that in the same comment section where you spun some pretty strong BS just to avoid having to answer a question."

When you going to answer my questions needle nose? The same ones that followed the only BS on here. Yours. Man, everybody has your number. It is getting old. Why don;'t you go play with yourself and let the grown ups talk?

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GrantMingus

Mar-05-14 7:27 AM

Yeah LOL...that's it. Guilty conscious. Or I just ignored everything else you wrote because what is the point? You want to talk about ignoring questions? How ironic that you would say that in the same comment section where you spun some pretty strong BS just to avoid having to answer a question.

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WatchDog

Mar-04-14 2:55 PM

Everything I wrote, James wrote and asked you questions about and the only thing you zoned in on was that?

Guilty conscious?

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GrantMingus

Mar-04-14 10:00 AM

LOL..so you do think it was me who made these other names, eh Watchdog? That's great!

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JamesAustin

Mar-03-14 5:50 PM

How come you always look at what she does say as negative? My wife and i read through all these comments and I don't understand what would you upset you. She brought out some points that could save our fireman's lifes, spare the town some money costs they would have to endure, she talked about working towards prevention to try to stop all these fires, she showed support for both fire and police until you came along and slammed her. Why don't you tell us why you wouldn't want any of this to happen in town Mingus?

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JamesAustin

Mar-03-14 5:33 PM

How can you just say this is all lies and nothing factual? You found a newspaper clipping and that was it? Mingus, my wife and I holding on by thread and we are struggling to keep our heads above water. I can't afford any more higher taxes.

There has to be a checks and balance system in place. The chief might the head of that dept but he has answer to someone. That was an insane thing for crazy city to be making. That only made coucnil look even worse.

Which makes one wonder if that is what you are doing to fire peole up and make council look worse and blame watchdog.

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JamesAustin

Mar-03-14 5:17 PM

Shucks I didn't mean to keep the war going. I found it strange that somebody named crazycity would say something like that. I probably should have considered it might have been one in the same.

Mingus it does appear you have made this a personal vendetta against watchdog. I think her points are worth considering. I think most would be just common sense considerations of importance and maybe value to council. What are you constantly upset about? The fact that she offers up things to consider and it wasn't you? What is your personal problem? You are not addressing the actual topics. Few others on here said some things that seemed a bit far off but you didn't touch them. Is it because she is a woman with an opinion? You probablby should be greatful my wife doesn't get on here she would be blasting everyone and I can promise she wouldn't tolerate you. Maybe that is your intent to not let folks have a conversation about things in town that they want to know about?

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WatchDog

Mar-03-14 2:04 PM

Grant that was all you have to offer? That was the best you could come up with to "egg" (thank you James) on your obsession with causing disruption on these comment sections?

Grant you have serious issues going on.

You are wasting your time and your game is wasting space. I don't care how many screenames you use. What dispicalble comments you make. I don't care how low you go to inflict your disruptions.

I am not going to stop making my comments.

If any thing I say can encourage our City council to consider different ideas for the betterment of our city, I will continue. Just like many others on here do. Just like Councilwoman Dickey encourages.

Grow up Grant, there is a lot families and issues that require every bodies input and concern for the betterment of this entire community. This is not a POPULARITY CONTEST.

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GrantMingus

Mar-03-14 11:27 AM

Hahaha...looks like Watchdog used that darn google to become a self proclaimed expert. Except she didn't actually do research.

In SOUTH Euclid, a 20 year old fire truck (like the one we're replacing) lost an axle. That's right, 20 years old. Not some "new truck that the streets couldn't handle".

What you're doing is painfully obvious Watchdog, you're creating a narrative and spouting off about the narrative YOU created. It's not based in reality, it's fictional. But you're parading as an expert because you're controlling the conversation. It all starts with the idea that there was no process in place to select the truck. That's a bogus claim that only came about because of what you spun out of a simple question that was asked of you. You're just spewing nonsense and assumptions that have no basis in anything and claiming them fact. You're not really fooling anyone.

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WatchDog

Mar-03-14 12:06 AM

Here is something else. Does Jeff know about the flaw on the platform? Was it fixed with that purchase or under the warranty? The 2011 had to be redesigned when the new 2012 trucks came out. I sure would hate to see one of Ms. Dickey's patients and our firefighters burn up and stuck on the roof when that platform hangs up. That info was on the website they bought the truck from.

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WatchDog

Mar-02-14 11:59 PM

Why do you think these experts a heck of a lot smarter than Jeff are encouraging mitigation assessments before they buy these big toys. Some of these cities just like Salem are not prepared for this type of truck. These are little streets. Some times all the bells and whistles, big is not always better. Look what happened in Portland, what about just last fall in Euclid? The wheel bases, losing their axles and wheels? These trucks are not always the answer for use in cities like Salem. The wear and tear on them are terrible. There are streets this truck will not be able to go on. Do your own homework. Over in Pa, they ended up moving a whole entire fire department because of the problems and wear and tear on the two of the ladder trucks with only buckets, not this platform. Small streets are killers on this equipment.

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WatchDog

Mar-02-14 11:45 PM

Heck no wonder Councilwoman Dickey didn't answer the question I asked. She didn't know what I was talking about.

OMG, Jeff said he wanted it and they said okay he's the expert? Seriously? That simple? Did the streets department give an opinion on any of this? How about the police department? How about the power companies? Good lord, they just had on the news not to long ago how I think it was in Stanton that they had work on a bunch of power lines to accommodate their new fire truck because of clearance and obstacles with their new ladder truck and the obstacles it played on the bigger buildings. It actually was hindering fire and rescue capabilities. Then look at the city that got sued by that business that claimed that the fire truck caused damage to the parking lot and it messed up water lines underground when they put down the outriggers and they sunk into the parking lot. It cost the city big time over a long butt expensive legal battle.

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WatchDog

Mar-02-14 10:30 PM

Got to admit, this comment threw everybody a curve ball when we all read this..."Hughes said the KME Kovach AerialCat creates "a whole new ball game in how we operate." Dang I thought Jeff and them were talking about all kinds of things and would have to take into consideration and deal with, from response times increasing, traffic and street problems, the weight of that truck alone when in full compacity carrying water and could our city streets and underground water and sewage handle that weight, routes that would have to be virtually stuck with in taking, not like that truck can turn on a dime and we have 4 lanes roads to make it easier, right down to their own safety. Color me blinded by the smoke blowing.

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WatchDog

Mar-02-14 10:13 PM

Hmmm. Guess maybe I need to do some rethinking here with what I thought was going on with the purchase of this specific truck. Thanks crazycity, maybe you just shed some light on what I was misunderstanding about and what I was hearing.

I thought Jeff had been left with no option but to take this 2011 Demo with it's known flaws and expenses because he couldn't get the truck he originally wanted. I thought after reading all this in the past that he was working hard to get a new truck to replace out that old junker and the opposition he was getting, he caved and settled for this one shot, a better than nothing deal. I guess I was way off in my thinking. Here I was feeling bad for them. Am I understanding this? It was Jeff all along pushing for this specific truck? Council caved into him? That sure does put a real perspective on things doesn't it?

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JamesAustin

Mar-02-14 7:55 PM

"i assume the chief told council what he needed/wanted and they took him at his word (since he is the expert)."

Boy could that open a can of worms. Whatever the chief says, no questions asked and it flies. Isn't there something wrong with that thinking? Panezott is an expert and he doesn't get that right handed to him.

Taking into consideration that latest meth lab was so close to my home, I sure could get on the wagon for the side of the police dept.

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JamesAustin

Mar-02-14 7:37 PM

crazycity you might want read down in that garbage. I think she was responding to someone else that declared they need this truck. Probably shouldn't butt into this but can anybody tell us why they chose this specific truck? Maybe it would help instead of all this junk flying.

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JamesAustin

Mar-02-14 7:30 PM

crazycity that is your logic? I took it as her asking why they needed this specific truck. I don't think she was claiming she knew what truck they needed. Just like my wife and I are. What happen to the other truck they were trying to get? How did they end with this one. I think, might be wrong but didn't somebody, maybe if I read down through all this garbage, didn't she or another say it was a demo truck?

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JamesAustin

Mar-02-14 7:15 PM

Sry watchdog, lol. It was just to much pass up on. The wife and I had heard about this truck and we were trying to get some info on the news about it. When your socked with the bill to pay for it you do get curious. I of course reading through all the junk comments that came with it like that nerd cmonman pulled and then this Mingus guy it's like one of those, lord have mercy don't dare make a comment the nuts in nutville come out of the cracks. Then they play the whose the smartest game and nobody in town knows squat. Now you got another one named crazy city, fitting name for this town. lol

I guess they want you to go find all the information you can to back up the demand for answers. I have never asked this but are you an official for the town?

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crazycity

Mar-02-14 6:56 PM

watchdog, let me try it this way...you wrote "They needed a fire truck, they didn't need this specific fire truck." the logical assumption is that if you say the city doesn't need THAT truck, you must know what truck they DO need. care to share? next, you say i should ask council or jeff hughes. why? i assume the chief told council what he needed/wanted and they took him at his word (since he is the expert). but you've put it out there that the truck they bought was the wrong one. i'd like to hear from you what you believe is the right one.

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