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Nestic says Salem Council planning process still in works

February 21, 2014

SALEM — City Councilman Dave Nestic said a planning process started last year to formulate a five-year guide for council spending and action remains in the works....

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OSU600

Feb-21-14 6:24 AM

Still trying for my 50 bucks I see....

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LisaCahill

Feb-21-14 8:24 AM

It concerns me that Mr. Nestic is so eager to put this process, essentially the future of Salem, into the hands of Mr. Kosiba, for whom Salem is only a job. He lives in Minerva. He doesn't own property here. As anyone who reads the paper knows, his time and efforts are spent on the north and east TIF zones - and look at how they are doing - the strip center in front of Walmart has businesses in maybe 2 out of 10 spaces. In fact, almost every strip center in that part of town has multiple vacancies. He has "announced" what? Seven? hotels now. None have come to fruition. Only one shows any sign of it. Regarding the continually rehashed $50…any public money would only be obtained after due process and would be used ONLY for public things like new parking lots or green space. Private building owners ARE ALREADY paying for their own upgrades and nothing else WAS EVER even discussed.

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RodneyHerron

Feb-21-14 8:50 AM

Scott and Lisa are some of the most energetic people trying to help save downtown. The public and business owners need to pull together to help support anyone willing to put there good effort towards there goodwill of fixing this downtown and make it business friendly.

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Cahill

Feb-21-14 8:53 AM

I believe that no individual in our city believes that the 5 year plan should be written by Kosiba. I am shocked that he is still employed by S.A.I.D.C. and I am shocked that he is handed money without competitive bidding by our city.

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Cahill

Feb-21-14 8:55 AM

OSU600, Please, if you went to O.S.U., there may be an opportunity for a refund. I truly believe that you have it coming.

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Cahill

Feb-21-14 8:59 AM

Rodney, Thank You. Thank you, too, for actually acting to make our city better. You are one of the reasons that this city is turning around and I am proud to count you as my friend. I can't wait to have a beer together in your beautiful and professionally renovated restaurant. This is what success looks like - not non-profits and grants and subversion.

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dubfun

Feb-21-14 9:02 AM

No matter how they try to spin it, the fifty dollar "tax" is something many people in town cannot afford to pay. Do not put the economic burden of "revitalizing" downtown on the backs of an already over-taxed public. While I applaud the efforts of those involved, I see this tax as unrealistic. One can see how well this has worked in communities such as Younstown that has a high tax rate. It doesn't always solve the problem.

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dubfun

Feb-21-14 9:02 AM

No matter how they try to spin it, the fifty dollar "tax" is something many people in town cannot afford to pay. Do not put the economic burden of "revitalizing" downtown on the backs of an already over-taxed public. While I applaud the efforts of those involved, I see this tax as unrealistic. One can see how well this has worked in communities such as Younstown that has a high tax rate. It doesn't always solve the problem.

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dubfun

Feb-21-14 9:02 AM

No matter how they try to spin it, the fifty dollar "tax" is something many people in town cannot afford to pay. Do not put the economic burden of "revitalizing" downtown on the backs of an already over-taxed public. While I applaud the efforts of those involved, I see this tax as unrealistic. One can see how well this has worked in communities such as Younstown that has a high tax rate. It doesn't always solve the problem.

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Cahill

Feb-21-14 9:05 AM

Since the TAC document was offered, the city, your city, let lapse contracts on over 100 parking spaces in our downtown. There are only 250 spaces in the downtown. According to the proportions committee, we need 450 spaces. Now, how do you think that the city will look with 150 spaces left? They have not just ignored the TAC recommendations - they have actually acted against them. If I closed off the 60 spaces that I now have, that would kill an entire part of our downtown. THAT is what the $ 50. was to have been spent on. Instead, they did nothing and I bought the spaces. So, OSU600 - do you think that represents good planning? It does only if you only represent the owners of land in the TIF zones! Use your head!

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Cahill

Feb-21-14 9:10 AM

If you keep repeating a lie, it does not become a truth. Since the TAC document, more than the $ 50. in taxes has been spent on the retirement and the cost of the debt on the TIF Zones. You are already paying the tax. An equal amount is about to be expended for a new fire truck. READ THE DOCUMENT. If you need help I will put it on tape for you.

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GrantMingus

Feb-21-14 9:18 AM

You applaud Rodney, someone who is using private capital to improve the town, but then you expect everyone else to give you money out of their own pocket to fix up things that may not matter to them, or have any impact on their lives. And for what? So you can hang a few more hideous outdoor chandeliers?

Get real man, you don't make sense about 95% of the time, most recent example being parking. How often are all of the parking spaces downtown taken up? Two nights a year for Super Nats? Quit trying to raid my pockets for your pipe dreams Cahill.

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GrantMingus

Feb-21-14 9:21 AM

Remember when you went completely off the rails on Facebook, so much so that you swore to abandon the TAC plan? Because some of us do. You're so emotional I wouldn't give you 50 cents to play a game of pool, let alone 50 dollars to do God knows what. Fix up the entrance of a building? But not before having people do some terrible graffiti in the midst of the city having a problem with graffiti. If you got it your way, could we expect more "art" decorating our streets?

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OSU600

Feb-21-14 9:27 AM

First off, I'm not an idiot that just fell off the turnip truck that you are trying to portray me to be.

Secondly, the arrogance that comes from your responses and news articles are why many people don't take you seriously.

Third, the way the article is written you want $50 from every resident of Salem. So a family with 2 children would pay $200? Good luck with that.

Finally, many see this as an attempt for private business owners to profit from a tax or fee from residents. Like it or not, that's how it's portrayed. Turn down the arrogance a few degrees and try again.

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Cahill

Feb-21-14 9:50 AM

Grant, No one has ever given me a single cent to do anything that I have ever done in Salem. I got no grant, loan, or consideration of any kind. The money invested is my own. I do not want your money. The recommendation of the TAC a hundred or more people - not me - was that a one-time tax equal to $ 50. per person was an appropriate way to explore paying for the redevelopment. You are simply unable, or more probably unwilling to understand and that is fine. At least you have the guts to use your name. I am not your enemy. I find you uninformed and over opinionated but it gets you attention and that is what you want. You do nothing to change things, you criticize those who do things. That is the place that you chose for yourself.

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Cahill

Feb-21-14 9:54 AM

OSU - if you wish to have a conversation have a name.

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GrantMingus

Feb-21-14 10:06 AM

You proudly put your name at the top of the TAC ledger you buffoon, you became the spokesman but you run from being labelled as such. But it's funny that you say I'm uninformed and over opinionated, meaning that you frequent the comment sections on articles. Yet you won't engage me, with your apparent infinite wisdom. The funny thing is, I hear the opposite from people in this town who have credibility and respect. I hear things about you from the same people, I won't repeat them but I'm sure it's not the light you think people see you in.

By the way, I'm a business owner in Salem. How exactly to do you think you're going to accomplish your goals here by attacking people like me and the city government, especially when your plan calls for a tax that they would have to put in place? You're as emotional as a small child.

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GrantMingus

Feb-21-14 10:09 AM

I've heard you've tried these kinds of things in other places and failed miserably, care to give us any insight on that Scott?

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OSU600

Feb-21-14 10:11 AM

I do have a name, which I choose not to share with you. Again, more arrogance. I believe I stated my position quite well so no conversation is needed with you.

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GrantMingus

Feb-21-14 10:11 AM

And I understand that no one has given you a cent, but what have you really accomplished besides spending a lot of money to make an ugly building entrance a little less ugly? I'm legitimately asking, I don't spend much time following the accomplishments of Scott Cahill, so I don't know. But that doesn't change the fact that you're still spearheading a plan that IS asking for money. If you don't need it, as you seem to claim, then why not just shut up and go about your business, instead of making yourself look like a lunatic?

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GrantMingus

Feb-21-14 10:13 AM

And who is lying here? How many people are behind the TAC plan? How many were at the council meeting? ONE?! Your wife. Was there anyone else? People support the idea of revitalizing downtown Salem, they just don't support your ridiculous plan to do it.

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Cahill

Feb-21-14 10:25 AM

I am unaware of what you are referring to "I've heard you've tried these kinds of things in other places and failed miserably, care to give us any insight on that Scott?" That is just another lie. I need to go do something creative - you sit by your computer in your undies.

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GrantMingus

Feb-21-14 10:28 AM

Hahaha....turn tail and run from that one as fast as possible! Funny that you won't answer questions asked from people that you need support from.

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GrantMingus

Feb-21-14 10:34 AM

Let me ask, is your building downtown still vacant?

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questioner

Feb-21-14 11:45 AM

Nestic said a planning process started last year to formulate a five-year guide for council spending and action remains in the works. The process remains in the research phase and will be brought up again. He also said the planning process may become part of the scope of work for the Sustainable Opportunity Development Center

I'm not quite getting that it's in "research phase". Last summer committees were made (Infrastructure, Community Development, Housing and Zoning, City Services) with TAC people and others on board and agreeing to meet and do something. This was Nestic's idea at a council meeting. The meetings were specifically going to be on Saturdays in the fall (last year).

Now it's back to planning stage? Researching? Will (for sure, of course) be brought up again. But maybe will go into someone else's lap. Someone who hasn't been doing the downtown thing.

What's up with that?? (Or, what's Not up with that??)

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