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Man charged with stabbing mom

January 23, 2014

SALEM — A 24-year-old Salem man accused of stabbing his mother multiple times after an argument Jan. 12 has been charged with felonious assault and jailed, pending a court appearance today....

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questioner

Jan-23-14 2:36 PM

Okay, PattiHannah, I was gone, read in my "history" of comments that you wrote, but the last story/comments on this issue seemed to have been made inaccessible, which is fine as a couple of us wrote more than we probably should have!

But feel free, step in. Domestic violence is an issue that is a hot button for me. But I'm not sure how to separate out (or how the police separate out) the "domestic violence" of the person in the recent police reports who threw his cell phone at a woman (but "it didn't hit her") and the stuff that escalates into battering.

Throwing a phone seems to be an immature temper tantrum. (And I personally wouldn't call the police for that.) But could it develop into more later? I would imagine.

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questioner

Jan-23-14 3:11 PM

Just looked at more of the online paper. There was an article on stalking.

One in six women have experienced stalking in their lifetime.

66 percent of female victims are stalked by their current or former intimate partner. Seventy-six percent of intimate partner femicides have been stalked by their intimate partner; 67 percent were physically abused

Advice included: Contact a victim services agency, domestic violence or rape crisis program.

What victim services agency? What domestic violence program? Do we have to call the Help Hotline Crisis Center in Youngstown to find out what there is locally? Is there something locally?

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questioner

Jan-23-14 3:19 PM

Knowing that: Approximately 1,500 women are killed each year by husbands or boyfriends. (that's over 4/day)

About 2 million men per year beat their partners, according to the F.B.I. (That's 40,000/state if every state had equal numbers. OH obviously has more than that)

And this is a cycle that expands as kids see this happen and learn to hit or learn to accept it happening. (I believe in 2005 there were 3 women murdered per day by husbands/boyfriends--trend-wise the numbers will be 5/day in 2023)

So no, I don't see domestic violence as an issue where we should accept it as status quo for certain families.

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questioner

Jan-23-14 4:48 PM

Total change of direction here, but the police officer wearing the hat looks cold. Could someone explain to me why, when the was an "Active Advisory: Winter Weather Advisory, Wind Chill Advisory" with "Temperature 12 °F Feels Like 2 °F", the arrested man who has been in the hospital for the last 10 days was just wearing a thin hospital gown? Did he have slippers on his feet? ("Light Snow")

I don't care how anyone feels about him, that picture makes me angry. Anyone want to volunteer to walk out of a hospital, walk down the street (that's what the picture shows) walk from a car into another building, wearing just a thin short-sleeved shirt today??--and it's 10 degrees warmer than yesterday.

Please, explain this "cruel and unusual" photo to me. Cuz it does tick me off.

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WatchDog

Jan-23-14 5:33 PM

questioner, I can see your point with one exception. Do you think he cared or had any concerns for his mother whom he stabbed and tried to kill her that forced her to escape out in the same weather conditions? Think he offered her a coat?

But hey, I bet he has some nice clothes now. I bet he looks good in orange.

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questioner

Jan-23-14 5:56 PM

I know, it was cold that night too.

But with a wind chill of 0 (and yesterday it was 2) exposed skin can freeze within 5 minutes.

I'm not a bleeding heart liberal, but how hard would it have been to throw a blanket over him?

Why they chose to make him go into that weather with just a hospital gown boggles my brain. Doesn't it just invite a lawsuit?

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WatchDog

Jan-23-14 6:27 PM

questioner, can I ask you something without you thinking I am just trying to poke fun at you. I don't want you mad at me just because I might see if different.

But why are you assuming that they didn't try to get him a blanket or clothing. Just because you see this picture, it doesn't mean that they didn't. He may have refused.

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rpmwwe

Jan-24-14 12:51 AM

A really cool feature of police cruisers is they can be parked anywhere. I seriously doubt this guy had to walk more than a few steps to get into the cruiser once he was outside the hospital. For security reasons, it wouldn't make sense to make him walk any appreciable distance.

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questioner

Jan-24-14 9:33 AM

Hey WatchDog, I thought about that--could he have said, "No, I don't want a blanket over me."

But put the blanket over him anyway--it's not like he could pull it off.

Just saying, that photo does not do anything for the police, knowing the windchill was virtually at 0.

Go outside today--would you want to walk anywhere in a hospital gown only? I was riding in a vehicle without gloves and my fingers were feeling it after just a couple minutes.

And rpmwwe, I know that too--and yet, the picture shows him walking along the street with houses in the background, so I dunno.

Again, just saying, that photo does not do anything for the police.

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rpmwwe

Jan-24-14 12:40 PM

You can see the cruiser parked immediately behind the left arm of the officer. After looking at this photo again, it does appear to me that it was taken just outside the police station.

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rpmwwe

Jan-24-14 12:41 PM

questioner, normally I agree with your points of view on most topics but I must respectfully dissent here. The "cruel and unusual" comment really aggravated me. It is no different than someone seeing a snapshot of our military in action and for that person to start throwing the "war criminals" comments around because the person does not have the full story of what has happened before, during, or after the photo was taken. I don't claim to know exactly what was going on myself when this photo was taken as I was not there either, but I do believe making such harsh criticisms is premature.

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questioner

Jan-24-14 12:55 PM

rpmwwe, after I wrote that I regretted it.

I was trying to make the point that the picture could very easily result in a lawsuit. (Without saying, "Hey Buddy, you or someone else should do that")

I do not think the police should have taken someone (especially someone coming from 10 days in the hospital) out in 2 degree windchill just in a hospital gown. No way and no how, no matter how near or how far.

How hard would it have been to throw a blanket over him?

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questioner

Jan-24-14 12:56 PM

But I really regret somehow making that the main point rather than the domestic violence issue.

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GrantMingus

Jan-24-14 1:59 PM

There is nothing cruel or unusual about transporting a prisoner from a hospital to a cell. Should they have waited until spring? I mean, come on. I know a lot of people (I was even out for part of the day) who worked outside all day yesterday. And are again today. Let me repeat...they're WORKING outside. This guy tried to murder his mother, sorry if I don't have any sympathy for his 15 second walk into a building. Maybe if he hadn't tried to kill himself then he wouldn't have had to be in a hospital gown. The only thing cruel and unusual here is that he's being charged with felonious assault and not attempted murder.

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questioner

Jan-24-14 2:19 PM

We don't live in a country that treats arrestees better or worse dependent on how much we like or dislike their crime. (Or at least we're not supposed to.)

Should what he did come into play in regard to whether or not police officers should be taking people out in thin hospital gowns in 2 degree weather?

"Buddy, you roughed up your wife, we're taking you in barefooted." "Lady, I don't like your mouth--oops, so sorry you hit your head on the door getting in the police car." "It's just marijuana, go ahead, turn off your lights and feed your cat before we take you in." It shouldn't work that way.

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GrantMingus

Jan-24-14 2:38 PM

If you're this upset about someone making a 15 second walk from a car to a building then I'm going to go ahead and say the priority list of things you get upset about is pretty screwed up.

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GrantMingus

Jan-24-14 2:39 PM

And I said I didn't have much sympathy for him because of what he did. Not that they shouldn't have dressed him better because of what he did. There is a pretty big difference there.

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questioner

Jan-24-14 2:43 PM

" This guy tried to murder his mother, sorry if I don't have any sympathy for his 15 second walk into a building."

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questioner

Jan-24-14 2:50 PM

Maybe I'm upset about a potential lawsuit against the city that will cost you and me money.

Because they didn't throw a stupid blanket over him.

And we don't know how long a walk from hospital to car, from car to jail.

But it doesn't matter. Hospital gown. 2 degree weather. No.

And did you read my: "But I really regret somehow making (this) the main point rather than the domestic violence issue."

So I'd prefer this dropped. But now you know another quirk of mine: I do respond when I get called out on something. (And if you read the posts, I told rpmwwe I regretted saying cruel and unusual.)

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rpmwwe

Jan-25-14 12:49 AM

In reference to the law suit concern, law enforcement knows to do just about everything possible (most of the time) to try to prevent them. Unfortunately, there are those that will file a suit for anything so they are not totally preventable. I've seen cases filed based on straight up lies and false allegations and our broken civil system makes it all possible. Each and every law suit filed is geared toward getting a settlement rather than taking the case to trial and letting a jury decide.

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rpmwwe

Jan-25-14 12:50 AM

The defendants (the government agency being sued) have no choice but to offer a settlement (no matter how ridiculous the case) because going through the whole process from responding to the original complaint to finally a jury trial gets extremely expensive. In other words, its cheaper to reward the plaintiff regardless of the credibility of the complaint than it is to win a verdict at trial and be able to say the plaintiff wasn't right.

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PattiHannah

Jan-25-14 3:07 AM

questioner, I know your upset about this. But unfortunately, if those officers had wrapped a blanket around this man, both of those officers would be in Chief Panezott's officer getting an earful for violating the regulations that govern a suicide watch and transport.

Those officers did nothing wrong. In fact, taking in consideration, this particular custody contained serious injuries, that he could not be handcuffed properly behind his back or even handcuffed in the front, I think these officers adapted effectively to ensure their safety and his. This person is a threat to the public, a threat to these officers and most importantly a threat to himself. Therefore, those serious wounds, those handcuffs and his hands must be in a plain view at all times.

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PattiHannah

Jan-25-14 3:15 AM

If you are upset about the worry of a lawsuit. You let those officers take their eyes on him for just a couple seconds and he manages to rip over those wounds and he bleeds out. That would be the lawsuit.

What you see in this picture is a lot more than what he has on at the jail. He is dressed a green smock. No buttons, no strings, no shoes, underwear..****pletely naked and he is in a cold cell because he is in lock down. He can be screaming at the top of his lungs for a blanket and he is not going to get one. They are not going to give anything that could assist him in ending his life. Please give these officers the benefit of the doubt.

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questioner

Jan-25-14 11:17 AM

I stand chastised--by everyone, I guess.

A blanket over him while he's walking in single digit weather (to a cold car?) didn't seem unreasonable to me.

If there's a policy of no blankets near a suicide prone person, then that is the policy. (I know the wisdom of that now that he's in his cell, but still have a hard time seeing the possibility of it while he's being accompanied.)

BUT policy is policy, and I would prefer officers not deviate from them. So--I stand chastised.

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questioner

Jan-25-14 11:21 AM

But I wouldn't mind getting back to another issue here. I'm rewriting:

Okay, PattiHannah, I read in my "history" of comments that you wrote, but the last story/comments on this issue seemed to have been made inaccessible.

Domestic violence is an issue that is a hot button for me. But I'm not sure how to separate out (or how the police separate out) the "domestic violence" of the person in the recent police reports who threw his cell phone at a woman (but "it didn't hit her") and the stuff that escalates into battering.

And:

What victim services agency? What domestic violence program? Do we have to call the Help Hotline Crisis Center in Youngstown to find out what there is locally? Is there something locally?

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