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Salem woman hospitalized after stabbing

Police reports say son, not charged so far, stabbed mother Sunday night

January 14, 2014

SALEM — An argument between a mother and son turned violent Sunday evening, with 43-year-old Josee Wilson hospitalized after suffering multiple stab wounds at her Home Circle residence....

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PattiHannah

Jan-19-14 8:01 PM

questioner if you are still monitoring this, I would like on behalf of my husband to make an humble apology to you. After he initiated his conversation with you he quickly had to remind himself that there would aspects of this incident regarding this family that he would not be at liberty to talk about because of his job.

If it is okay with you I would like to give you a general idea of his thoughts. You put a great deal of time in writing out your thoughts on this and you deserve to have a response. You made some very important points about Domestic Violence and public discussions are vital to make an impact of change for these types of crime. There are so many ways that the public can help when it comes to our local law enforcement, those who deal with this on a regular basis.

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questioner

Jan-18-14 3:52 PM

And Sgt Hannah, you asked about this family in particular.

My answer is a question: Is there a place a person can go to on a cold night so they don't beg to come inside to warm up? Is there someone to get them?--Pick them up and take them there? Who do I call for help in that situation? I know there were newspaper articles about the Salvation Army trying to make sure people could stay warm when it was cold. But who do you call in the middle of the night and how do you get someone to a warm place?

I need knowledge to help, and so do others. Do we have volunteer drivers for people? (Maybe we shouldn't--as much as I'd like to, it's just not safe.) Who do I call in the middle of the night if someone needs a place to go? If a drug user or a mentally ill person is cold and needs a place to go? I personally wouldn't know. Do we have a place and a way to get someone to that warm place? It's gonna be cold the next few nights and I don't know how to help.

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questioner

Jan-18-14 3:40 PM

For full disclosure, I had a friend who died as a result of domestic violence and their 4 year old son was paralyzed from being thrown in the same incident.

Her husband was one of the mentally ill who was not being treated at that time.

I've also dealt with foster kids who have come out of abusive homes.

I do Not feel "the state" (and definitely not the mayor) has to throw money around to try to fix social ills.

But do I see a relationship between no jobs and violence?--just look at the youth in the middle east. Do I see a relationship between poor education and a rise in drug use, crime?--just look at some cities around us. Do I see a "sins of the father" being passed on to future generations?--I do, unless something intervenes.

So I guess I'd like to see root causes dealt with, whether it be mental illness, drugs, anger or lack of education. I'd like there to be stronger laws and less repeat offenders.

I don't want to give up.

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questioner

Jan-18-14 3:26 PM

Once I'm retired, on my "to do" list is to volunteer at a shelter for battered women/children. I wanna be the substitute grandma who reads and plays with the kids when the moms need a break or work or get counseling.

But how many people locally know if and where there is a shelter?

A domestic violence victim has often been isolated. After the first charge is filed, do we check up later on the victim? Is someone available to drive them somewhere else later if needed? Can a shelter have a volunteer to that?--can the police let them know of a problem? I honestly don't know what is or isn't allowed privacy-wise, but I'd volunteer to be at a courthouse when something goes to court so that the victim sees/knows/ gets info from a place to contact for help if the problem arises (and it will) again. A domestic violence victim advocate. Can we have that? I am asking seriously. Could a shelter volunteer do it?

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questioner

Jan-18-14 3:13 PM

I know how many high school girls are in abusive or potentially abusive relationships. Many other items are mandated to be "taught" in school, so why not add some education to the sex ed classes that deal with healthy/unhealthy relationships. That's a simple add-on that could stop some things before they start.

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questioner

Jan-18-14 3:06 PM

What do we do now that there are fewer places to hold people with mental illnesses?

There obviously are more crimes committed by people who 35 years ago would have been institutionalized. (And more homeless persons as well.)

Did we have any real programs in place when we took away the beds in institutions? So what should we do now? How should we handle the mentally ill? I don't think what we are doing (or not doing) now is working very well.

I asked earlier because I don't know--do anger management classes work? If so, then make them mandatory when an initial charge is brought against someone.

I'm all for longer, harsher, stronger sentencing for a first offense. I hate reading that a drunk driver who's killed someone was charged 4 previous times with the crime. (Or a domestic violence offender.)

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questioner

Jan-18-14 2:55 PM

No, I'm okay with questions.

Theoretically, if a person had a major drug problem and was at the hospital for an overdose, but was released to be monitored as an out-patient and then committed a crime, well, it's too easy in retrospect to say I wish they had kept that person as an in-patient. Would it be the hospital's fault a crime was committed? Of course not. But probably not the crime victim's fault either.

I had an alcoholic brother who would not usually go and when forced to go would not stay at rehab places (he felt he wasn't like those drug users), so I'm not unaware of the difficulties in "fixing" a drug problem that so often leads to other problems.

Without drinking and drugs (and no, Grant, I'm not talking a glass of wine or marijuana), a lot of the other problems wouldn't exist.

So to start with, how do we lower that problem?

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SgtRichardHannah

Jan-18-14 1:07 PM

I am curious because I have dealt with many domestic violence acts and the public opinion is so important in these matters. I hope this does not offend you.

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SgtRichardHannah

Jan-18-14 1:05 PM

Okay questioner so that leaves us with this and I mean nothing disrespectful to you, you are a good hearten person and it obvious and I value your opinion.

Now here is the million dollar questions? What do you intend to do to help that family recover from this? What do you want the police to do to prevent this from happening again? What do you want the Mayor to do? What do you want the Federal Government to do that continues to grow and grow and grow and even as big as it has become ineffective?

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ladybug

Jan-17-14 12:35 PM

And just think in a short time it's all going about campaigning .

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ladybug

Jan-17-14 12:34 PM

The people representing us come into town on Mondays and leave on Thursday.

This week they addressed absolutely nothing on the real issues impacting our country and people .

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ladybug

Jan-17-14 12:30 PM

Conditions in our country right now are bad.And we are losing all the wars confronting us. Drugs,poverty,jobs,education,healthcare, family values ,our infrastructure is old and failing and most of all we have a government who chooses to solve nothing.

So what among all of this can bring situatiomns like this on

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questioner

Jan-17-14 10:11 AM

It is always interesting how much our personal experience shapes our outlook. "I have a friend that I swear to you I believe she is into the sympathy attention that her domestic violence incidents bring on."

It takes a little effort to think/look beyond our personal experience to see if our experience matches up with the actual average reality.

It takes a little effort to be less judgmental and try to understand things beyond our experience. "If I can live a normal and decent life and have a good family valued relationship with my children as many others do...why can't they?" May God bless and keep your "normal" family--I wouldn't want you to have to learn mercy because a family member needed it.

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WatchDog

Jan-16-14 6:17 PM

I have more sympathy for the police than I do this family. They are the ones that have to go in and pick of the pieces. They are the ones that bat their heads against the wall while the public screams at them to do more.

Now the Mayor? I guess the Mayor can camp out in their front yard and baby sit them. Because that is what Government is becoming...a glorified baby sitting service.

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WatchDog

Jan-16-14 6:03 PM

sry.

As Republicans? Why do we have to become Democrats? Why can't we just be Americans.

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WatchDog

Jan-16-14 6:02 PM

Why is my responsibility to ensure it? Pay for it and accept it?

As Republicans1q

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WatchDog

Jan-16-14 5:59 PM

Do you know what accepts me most about this? Do you know how much money this family is going to cost us? Sound cold? Maybe it's time.

If I can live a normal and decent life and have a good family valued relationship with my children as many others do...why can't they?

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WatchDog

Jan-16-14 5:55 PM

When I said I have no sympathy for either one. I meant it. Cold? Maybe to some. If the police come out and say this kid barged into her home with a knife and slashed her up and left her for dead. THEN and then will I feel sorry for her. THEY have to fix their family life. It is not OUR responsibility to fix their family life.

Is this a sad thing that happened? YES, without doubt. It is frightening that families are falling apart like this.

Government dependency is going to choke the life out of our country. You used Education and lack of jobs. His mother is a nurse and she has and education and good paying job. What this excuse?

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WatchDog

Jan-16-14 5:49 PM

questioner, you are probably right it was a ugly thing for me to say. It was in bad taste and the reason why I said, somebody slap me.

BUT, that is where I am with this nonsense. I am not going to play with my heart instead of my head. I've drawn that line in the sand.

This is how I feel and whether or not anyone else agrees I will accept it.

Sympathizing with these issues are not fixing it. It is time for a different approach.

I have a friend that I swear to you I believe she is into the sympathy attention that her domestic violence incidents bring on. Our friends, have repeatedly over and over until we are exhausted with it warning after warning. She continues to put herself right back into the same situations that have harmed her and it goes on and on.

Can you understand this? These cases are growing and growing. We can't save them all. We can't continue to believe that we can fix their home life. They have to want it and PUT their foot forward to do it.

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questioner

Jan-16-14 3:06 PM

And I'll say that lately, those of us who may be republican and Christian have had a pretty bad record of wanting to deal with some of the social issues that can lead to drug use, violence--like poor education or lack of jobs.

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questioner

Jan-16-14 3:05 PM

I know, I know.

I know in the past a lot of people have viewed drunk driving as "There but for the grace of God go I", but some of our local counties have appalling records when it comes to sentencing (and as a result, people offend multiple times).

We can't just give up. I know it's not easy.

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ladybug

Jan-16-14 2:18 PM

Like the person who gets caught driving under the if .9 times.

They get in a car and drive any way.Until they kill someone and end up in jail.

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ladybug

Jan-16-14 2:16 PM

If you read the wrap sheet on the guy who shot his brother .It's a mile long.

There is no easy solution. Like booze and drugs .Rehabilatation doesn't work in most cases

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questioner

Jan-16-14 1:36 PM

Today's article "Grand jury indicts man for Salem murder" mentions other people indicted, including 2 for domestic violence. Both of them were previously charged with domestic violence. (And we know the previous guy who stabbed (and killed) someone in Salem had domestic violence in his rap sheet.)

Maybe it's time--past time--to do more to about this. Whether stiffer penalties the first time (I think so), mandatory anger management classes (I know nothing about those, if they work or don't) or better education/resources for women, and for sure, catching and prosecuting for drugs (also often tied in), but we can't let this keep escalating.

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questioner

Jan-16-14 10:16 AM

"Guessing mooching off of mom came to head!"

Still an erroneous comment, regardless if you did or didn't mean living with her.

"I just don't happen to have sympathy for either one." I'm sorry for you that you don't. Do you think all victims of domestic violence are deserving of no sympathy? I hope a loved one of your is never in a bad situation, but considering the stats, someone you know probably is or has been.

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