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Look objectively at climate change

December 3, 2013

Two scientific studies that nearly crossed paths on the way to publication by the National Academy of Sciences raise serious questions about climate change - and the liberal knee-jerk reaction that......

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TripleD

Dec-03-13 10:17 AM

So now the breeding of livestock is not a human activity? Yes, methane gas also contributes to global warming. That is not something new, it was identified quite a while ago by real Scientists, you know, the people you identify as the bad guys.:>) Oh well, at least we now have the right admitting that global warming is real no matter how they try to spin it.

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TripleD

Dec-03-13 10:22 AM

This is from the EPA site. You know, another one of those liberal sites that you on the right refuse to believe. Methane (CH4) is the second most prevalent greenhouse gas emitted in the United States from human activities. In 2011, CH4 accounted for about 9% of all U.S. greenhouse gas emissions from human activities. Methane is emitted by natural sources such as wetlands, as well as human activities such as leakage from natural gas systems and the raising of livestock. Natural processes in soil and chemical reactions in the atmosphere help remove CH4 from the atmosphere. Methane's lifetime in the atmosphere is much shorter than carbon dioxide (CO2), but CH4 is more efficient at trapping radiation than CO2. Pound for pound, the comparative impact of CH4 on climate change is over 20 times greater than CO2 over a 100-year period.

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TripleD

Dec-03-13 10:27 AM

While methane is a more potent greenhouse gas than CO2, there is over 200 times more CO2 in the atmosphere. Eg - CO2 levels are 380 ppm (parts per million) while methane levels are 1.75ppm. Hence the amount of warming methane contributes is calculated at 28% of the warming CO2 contributes. Nice try Salem News! Way to warp the numbers, but, as I said, at least those on the Right are now talking about 'Global Warming' even if they are still trying to let humans off the hook.

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ladybug

Dec-03-13 12:35 PM

Well once we reach the point of no return it will make no difference if people believe it or not.

Get out the weeping towels. Oh why didn't they do something . Darn ole Obama

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questioner

Dec-03-13 3:21 PM

Okay Ladybug, you made me smile.

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Kozy62

Dec-03-13 4:18 PM

A real day to celebrate...bug just blamed Mr. Obama for something!

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concerned

Dec-03-13 9:06 PM

Gee I wonder what caused the global warming that melted the glaciers that centuries ago use to cover a good portion of the land we now call Ohio?

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Kozy62

Dec-03-13 10:30 PM

Gee, concerned...it seems clear from TripleD that it was methane from all the garbage dumps and waste from all the humans and cows. Or according to ladybug, it was Obama.

Well there you go...the liberal genious in motion.

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swager

Dec-04-13 5:51 AM

I was taught in school that Co2 was the life blood of living things on this planet. When there was not enough, plants made their own for survival. No wonder govt. put a price tag on it. With these idiots we can add breathing to death and taxes. We also had an earth ball at SHS to teach us we were going to freeze to death, but they couldn't scare enough people back then so they changed it to change and made it up as they went.

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concerned

Dec-04-13 6:30 AM

Kozy I am pretty sure it was a wicked and perverse world that caused the great flood that we read about in the book of Genesis. I wonder, could any problems that the world may be having today be happening for the same reason? My guess is: Yep!

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RogerRamjet

Dec-04-13 7:00 AM

CO2 is plant food!

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TripleD

Dec-04-13 7:56 AM

As I said before, at least we now have the Right (End Chairs, Dining Room table, and a couple of Recliners) talking about global warming. That is step one.

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GrantMingus

Dec-04-13 9:34 AM

If your goal was to get us to talk about how much of a BS lie it is, then I guess mission accomplished. The ice at the poles is growing in record numbers. No thanks to the Obama administration. The whole lie starts with "we must do this in the United States to save the world". When really all that it means is that companies avoid fines and have yet another reason to send jobs to China--just because you can't see the pollution doesn't mean it isn't happening.

Until I can get a liberal to tell me which particular industry created the world's last major climate shift, then I'll just tell them all to shut up. There is no factual basis to explain any of the climate THEORIES. Those "real" scientists that TripleD mentioned have largely had their THEORIES debunked anyways.

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TripleD

Dec-04-13 10:36 AM

" The ice at the poles is growing in record numbers." Another piece of misinformation is put forth by the flat earth society. While it is true that strong winds probably caused by global warming has had a temporary effect of increasing ice at the south pole for the last two years, average ocean temperature continues to rise and the north pole continues to lose ice at an alarming rate. One step forward and two steps back as far as the education of the Right is concerned. Tell me GrantMingus, do you still think dinosaurs and man coexisted on this planet at the same time?

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Kozy62

Dec-04-13 2:06 PM

TripleD, what do you believe the Bible is referring to in Ezekiel 29, Job 40 & 41, Isaiah 27, and Psalm 74.

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Kozy62

Dec-04-13 2:11 PM

And, what about...Proverbs 6:16-19, John 8:43-47, or maybe Exodus 20:16?

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Kozy62

Dec-04-13 2:29 PM

And, yes, it has been reported that the Pacific has gotten warmer by 1/3°F, in the past 60 years.

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notSocialist

Dec-04-13 2:38 PM

There's Goebbels again, now an expert on climate, worshiping at the feet of the Administration, wearing the Golden Kneepads.

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questioner

Dec-04-13 5:29 PM

I've got no problem with the idea that there have been multiple climate changes throughout history. Glaciers covering parts of the US and Europe show us that. Plus there have been historical warming times as well. Obviously, like Grant said, ones in the past had nothing to do with human causes. So do we have a natural climate trend now? I'd have a hard time saying extreme weather is due to spiritual reasons--just doesn't measure out that way. But I have just as hard a time believing this is man-made and man-repairable. (I think a lot of the volcanic eruptions have contributed greatly.) Now does that mean we should ignore smog in China (etc)--of course not!

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TripleD

Dec-04-13 8:30 PM

So you want to know why the Glaciers come and go? Here is your answer. The episodic nature of the Earth's glacial and interglacial periods within the present Ice Age (the last couple of million years) have been caused primarily by cyclical changes in the Earth's circumnavigation of the Sun. Variations in the Earth's eccentricity, axial tilt, and precession comprise the three dominant cycles, collectively known as the Milankovitch Cycles for Milutin Milankovitch, the Serbian astronomer and mathematician who is generally credited with calculating their magnitude. Taken in unison, variations in these three cycles creates alterations in the seasonality of solar radiation reaching the Earth's surface. These times of increased or decreased solar radiation directly influence the Earth's climate system, thus impacting the advance and retreat of Earth's glaciers.

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TripleD

Dec-04-13 8:33 PM

I would like to point out that while the Glaciers have come and gone over millions of years. The ice caps at the poles has remained pretty constant up until recently. So before you jump on the ice age cycles being the reason that the poles are melting, you should try doing just a little bit of reading.

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concerned

Dec-04-13 8:46 PM

questioner says:"I'd have a hard time saying extreme weather is due to spiritual reasons--just doesn't measure out that way.

Really?? What do you do with Genesis 6:17 " And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die." When God destroyed the earth with water it was because of the wickedness of man. Read the whole chapter. God uses what man calls natural forces to bring about judgment. He is in control of the earth that he created and uses the forces of nature that he created for his purposes.

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GrantMingus

Dec-05-13 9:10 AM

I could find articles written by people who call themselves scientists and assume they know what they're talking about without knowing anything about them, copy and paste what they said and try to make my case as well.

Or, I could just not be an ignoramus that acts like my actions control nature. It's among the most self absorbed BS arguments out there. As Dave Matthews once penned, "we're just a collection of cells overrating themselves."

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questioner

Dec-05-13 10:53 AM

concerned, I do believe in The Flood. But I also believe Matt.5:45 "He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous." It's interesting that the verse before that says "But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you" I'm quite sure a few years ago when after a storm Pat Robertson basically said he prayed that it wouldn't hit him, but it did hit other places due to sin, he was not thinking of those verses.

I'm pretty sure some of those towns in OK, IA, TN etc where tornadoes have hit are, as a whole, more "Christian" than Miami--and yet....

Does God execute His justice?--yes. (I believe there will be earthquakes in the middle-east that do just that.) Is there "reaping and sowing"?--yes, but often on a more personal level. Katrina hit New Orleans because of sin?--not so much.

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Kozy62

Dec-05-13 10:57 AM

And one of the articles in The Drudge Report is about scientists beginning to doubt global warming...wow!

It's why it's so hard to believe a bunch of people who refuse to believe in anything except what can get their name in print, accomplish their thesis for an additional degree or tenure, or a chair, or to obtain monies for the next great maybe discovery...yet so often to fine that had they believed what the Bible says, they would be way ahead.

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