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Liberal policies increase poverty

November 1, 2013

President Barack Obama and liberals in Congress like to brag about how much they have done for poor Americans. Ohioans have good cause to be disgusted by such tal....

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Kozy62

Nov-12-13 1:57 PM

I agree that our current tax structure is wrong and has to be changed, however, I'm not certain which change would be the fairest and easiest to understand. I would be for everyone having skin in the process and simple enough to get rid of the IRS.

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TripleD

Nov-12-13 8:31 AM

notSocialist, Yes, it is true, you got me. President Obama is for a progressive tax structure. I think you will find that most of the candidates that show any promise at all of winning the a Presidential Election have a similar position.

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TripleD

Nov-11-13 10:09 AM

not Socialist, Sorry that should have read, "Are you 'intellectually honest' enough to read that story? voices.washingtonpost****/fact-checker/2008/10/obamas_redistribution_bombshel.html

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TripleD

Nov-11-13 10:03 AM

notSocialist You say that Obama is a communist. You say he said he didn't like the Constitution because it didn't address redistribution.

Below is a link to the facts about that lie filled story. After insinuating that I am ' intellectually dishonest' Are you 'intellectually honest' to read that story?

*******voices.washingtonpost****/fact-checker/2008/10/obamas_redistribution_bombshel.html

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Kozy62

Nov-09-13 8:00 AM

...Continued)... At one time, companies like Blockbuster or Kodak seemed as permanent as Mount Everest. But with one unpredictable innovation, everything changes. It once again proves the folly of so-called “planned economies.” No matter how smart politicians think they are, their odds of being able to predict which companies will succeed are about as good as finding a Blockbuster store powered by Solyndra solar panels."

Think about it!

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Kozy62

Nov-09-13 7:57 AM

Just a reminder...

Mike Huckabee

"Today, a harsh lesson in why governments shouldn’t meddle in the marketplace……Just nine years ago, Blockbuster Video was a colossus of American business, with 9,000 video stores nationwide. But then came DVDs by mail, then vending machines, then digital movies on demand. And now, the end of an era. Blockbuster will halt its video by mail division and close its last 300 company-owned stores. They’ll also cut 3,000 employees, who can watch Blockbuster’s streaming video service as they sit at home, collecting unemployment. It’s a chilling reminder of how dynamic the marketplace is...(continued)...

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TripleD

Nov-08-13 12:19 PM

Kozy62, Thank you, that is all I ever really wanted from you. That and an honest discussion of the facts as we each see them.

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Kozy62

Nov-08-13 11:49 AM

You are correct, TripleD...I completely went overboard and ask you to forgive me. The President has not lied about everything.

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TripleD

Nov-08-13 11:35 AM

notSocialists, I refer you to the political forum in the We need a changte thread where Kozy said, "We really need a way to fire Obama if for no other reason than he has lied about everything!" I ask you to be honest here. Could Kozy62's statement that the President has lied about everything possibly be true? Is it possible that this man became the president of the United States by lying about everything? If Kozy62's statement is not true then by the same rules that you hold the President to, isn't Kozy62 lying? Please be honest.

On another subject, I have replied to your Ammo Watch topic in the general forum with some suggestion as to where you can find some 9mm Ammo at a reasonable price. Of course 22 longs are still another story.

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TripleD

Nov-08-13 10:24 AM

Kozy62, You continue to take me to task for my support of this President. Please allow me to point out that in this very thread I said, "I am not happy either with the President being unaware of things I think he should have been aware of." also in this same thread I have admitted that this President has at times has been unable to keep some of his promises. I believe that happens to every President no matter how honest. Since you have ignored my request not to say grace before Breakfast, even though you are well aware that it will make me uncomfortable, perhaps you will allow me to ask a favor or two from you in return. First, could you please find for me anywhere in the hundreds of your posts on this site where you have ever said a good word about this President or his accomplishments. If you are unable to find anything that fits that description, could you please honor me with a second favor, please find a dictionary and look up the definition of 'Hypocrisy'. Thank you D

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Kozy62

Nov-08-13 7:48 AM

BTW...8AM at Bob Evans on November 19th...first annual get together of those who post here. This old conservative, Christian, believer in the Constitution and limited government will take all you liberals on if I have to, but I am asking those who agree with me to be there. This will be a time of getting to meet and talk about non political things. No fighting or name calling.

At 8AM, it might be busy so please let me know how many. We want to sit together...Joe

And yes, contrary to what you might hear...I will say grace.

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TripleD

Nov-07-13 1:59 PM

questioner, Fair enough. I am not happy either with the President being unaware of things I think he should have been aware of. I do not however think he is a dishonest man. The constant claims of this President deliberately lying that appear in posts this board are way overdone and smell more political than factual to me.

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questioner

Nov-07-13 1:47 PM

Can anyone forget H.W. Bush, "Read my lips: no new taxes." (Altho I guess they weren't "new" taxes--he just raised existing ones! lol)

Yes, all presidents "adapt" around statements made. But we have heard more "I didn't know", "I wasn't aware of" from this president than ever before. Regardless of political point of views, no one can say those statements have been good for his office or the USA. It is no wonder people don't believe he didn't know something when they've heard that line dozens of times before.

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TripleD

Nov-07-13 1:21 PM

questioner, Fair enough. Let us also remember that any President, no matter how honest, will at times be unable to keep his promises. It comes with the job.

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questioner

Nov-07-13 12:52 PM

RULE 7: “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.” Don’t become old news.

Please, can we leave this?

And can we make a pact not to do #12:

Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions. (This is cruel, but very effective. Direct, personalized criticism and ridicule works.)

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TripleD

Nov-07-13 12:22 PM

rpmwwe, Wow, I have to admit, you still have me confused. When you say, "So, for one to use the strategies and claim to have no knowledge of Alinski or "Rules for Radicals" could indeed be plausible scenario." Are you saying Kozy62 might not be aware that he is using Alinski's third rule against me, or are you saying that when you accused me of using Alinski's rules, it is plausible that I was not aware of them per se?

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rpmwwe

Nov-07-13 12:13 PM

Also, I don't believe Alinski invented the strategies. They have been around for a long time. He just gathered them together and made them obvious. So, for one to use the strategies and claim to have no knowledge of Alinski or "Rules for Radicals" could indeed be plausible scenario.

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rpmwwe

Nov-07-13 12:09 PM

If you got "I now realize that you are attacking...using Saul Alinski tactics against me." out of my posts then you are correct.

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TripleD

Nov-07-13 12:07 PM

qcityfan, I do not think that the fact that I am an Atheist, makes me a Marxist. As I understand Marxism, the ultimate goal is a classless society. First off, I cannot think of a more boring existence, than living in a classless society. I also do not believe that human nature would ever allow such a world to exist.

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TripleD

Nov-07-13 12:01 PM

rpmwwe, Reading back through your posts, I now realize that you are attacking me not advising me. I do feel kind of dumb about that. I admit it. You definitely got me. Still I do feel the article that I mentioned in my previous post has alerted me to the fact that you, Kozy, and notSocialist will stoop to using Saul Alinski tactics against me. Thanks again for the heads up even if that was not your intent. :>)

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qcityfan

Nov-07-13 11:56 AM

I see we have a newcomer: an enlightened atheist Marxist.

The infiltration of America continues.

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TripleD

Nov-07-13 11:55 AM

rpmwwe, Since notSocialist called me a student of Alinski, I have done a little bit of reading. I had heard the name before when the right used it to attack the President. I had believed that they used it simply for the Russian sounding name. I believed that they want to tie a communist agenda to the President. Obviously they were not getting the results they wanted with tying the President to a Socialist agenda and their basic strategy has always been to throw everything they can at the wall and see if anything sticks. In my internet search on Alinski I found an interesting article titled '12 Ways To Use Saul Alinsky's Rules For Radicals Against Liberals'. After reading that I believe I may have been too quick to assume that Kozy62 was not using these tactics against me. Since he continues to hit me, an Atheist, with Religion, I believe Kozy62 is using the third rule 'Wherever possible go outside the experience of the enemy'. Thanks for the heads up.

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rpmwwe

Nov-07-13 11:45 AM

Right on cue with the flank attack!

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rpmwwe

Nov-07-13 11:43 AM

"I am here to tell you that you do not need to worry. The new majority in the United States is a compassionate one. They will not treat you in the way that you have treated minorities all your life. You do not need to be afraid."

This type of rhetoric has been used with great success in the past in other parts of the world to convince populations they should become conquered and enslaved. The problem with trying to use it in the U.S. is that Americans are generally better educated than the people from those other parts of the world. You are trying to use it against a group of people that values the study of history.

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TripleD

Nov-07-13 11:39 AM

Kozy, Don't you mean you will be praying at me? I believe you are aware that I am an Atheist. As an Atheist I find people who seek to convert me very annoying. I also believe your biblical verses may be a bit off topic. Of course I will certainly admit that I stray off topic as much or more than the next person. I do want to inform you that I have a bible here in my home and should I feel the need to read it, I am sure I can find the words passed down from Luke, Mathew, John, or Frank or George by myself. I do not need you to post them in response to my posts.

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