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Deaths ruled murder-suicide

September 9, 2013

SALEM — A shooting in the employee parking lot at the Salem Walmart early Sunday morning has been ruled a murder-suicide....

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GrantMingus

Sep-09-13 9:15 AM

Once again, J.D., the fact that he had a concealed carry permit is COMPLETELY irrelevant. I would love for you to come on and argue your case, you're including that in every piece about this for a reason. You can demonize law abiding citizens all you want with examples of criminals. But to do so you must ignore the very clear distinction, and most people see that distinction.

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Arca23

Sep-09-13 9:41 AM

One sentence stating a fact and here come the gun defenders. I don't agree or disagree either way but Grant, chill. Two people are dead.

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WatchDog

Sep-09-13 11:16 AM

Grant just because you find it COMPLETELY irrelevant is your opinion. I find it relevant. The Salem news doesn't have to argue a case. They report the news. They don't write news story to pacify you. You need to get a life. Salem does not revolve around your hurt feelings or your opinions.

We know Grant you have CCW permit. So you feel insulted. Just the fact alone that you have one and carry a gun is spooky, especially with that egotistical attitude and how disrespectful and ugly you are to people. YOU remind me of one of those time bombs waiting to go off.

Why would J.D. waste his breath with you. You got problem with him...want the address with the Salem news...you know where he works, go have a chit chat with him.

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notSocialist

Sep-09-13 4:04 PM

"We know Grant you have CCW permit. So you feel insulted. "

I feel anger.

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concerned

Sep-09-13 5:48 PM

I am probably going to start a heated discussion but here goes. Where in the constitution does it say that someone has the right to carry a concealed weapon? I believe the constitution says we have the right to bear arms. But what does bear arms mean? It does not say we have the right to carry concealed weapons. Bearing arms can have a lot of meanings. In reality Arms are weapons of warfare and bearing them can mean just owning them or having at their disposal. It does not necessarily mean you can carry them around with you. The whole purpose of having the right to bear arms was to guarantee that a government could not lord it over the people. In other words what they were meant to protect was tyranny by the government, not self defense. Another question Where does it say in the constitution that the government has the right to say who can own arms? Is that what a CCW permit does? Is the whole constitutional issue of bearing arms wrapped up in the CCW laws?

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Ethomas38

Sep-09-13 6:37 PM

WHY?? What does it matter if he had a Concealed Carry Permit? WHY do you have to state the weapon used? If this Jackwagon wanted to hurt someone he would with out reservation do so by ANY means available to him. Y'all (The Media Mostly) are just down right ignorant when it comes to guns..

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Ethomas38

Sep-09-13 6:39 PM

If he used a bomb, They blame the person, If they use a knife, they blame the person if they use their bare hands they blame the person, if they use a gun, they blame the gun..

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Ethomas38

Sep-09-13 6:39 PM

If he used a bomb, They blame the person, If they use a knife, they blame the person if they use their bare hands they blame the person, if they use a gun, they blame the gun..

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notSocialist

Sep-09-13 6:46 PM

" I believe the constitution says we have the right to bear arms. But what does bear arms mean? It does not say we have the right to carry concealed weapons."

The CCW thing is moot, really. OPEN carry is legal in Ohio for anyone who can legally own a handgun.

"I believe the constitution says we have the right to bear arms."

We have the right to "keep and bear arms". "Keeping" is the owning part, "bearing" is the carrying it around with you part.

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concerned

Sep-09-13 7:00 PM

Ethomas38 I agree with you. It is not the gun that is bad it is the person pulling the trigger.

I don't own a gun but I am not against those who do. I am against people who needlessly kill someone whether it is with a gun, a knife, a rock, an ax, poison or their bare hands.

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concerned

Sep-09-13 7:13 PM

"The CCW thing is moot, really. OPEN carry is legal in Ohio for anyone who can legally own a handgun."

In the spirit of the Constitution what was the reason for being allowed to bear arms? Was it for self defense or was it to hinder an over powerful government? If it is legal in Ohio carry openly why not the rest of the States? It is the U.S. Constitution that gives that right does it not?

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Jake44460

Sep-09-13 8:20 PM

For what it's worth (which is nothing at this point), if in fact the shooter had a valid CHL, it should have been revoked or suspended when the protection order was granted.

Ohio Revised Code: 2923.128 Suspension and revocation of license. > (A) > (1) > (a) If a licensee holding a valid concealed handgun license is arrested > for or otherwise charged with an offense described in division (D)(1)(d) > of section 2923.125 of the Revised Code or with a violation of section > 2923.15 of the Revised Code or becomes subject to a temporary protection > order or to a protection order issued by a court of another state that is > substantially equivalent to a temporary protection order, the sheriff who > issued the license shall suspend it and shall comply with division (A)(3) > of this section upon becoming aware of the arrest, charge, or protection > order. Upon suspending the license , the sheriff also shall comply with > division (H) of section 2923.125

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concerned

Sep-09-13 9:14 PM

Good points Jake44460. but like you said it is too late now. Perhaps the reason the authority that issued the permit was not aware of the protection order. Don't know that for sure but that may be the reason his permit was not revoked or was it and he just went ahead and had a gun anyway. Question; Does a having a CCW revoked mean you can not carry a non concealed weapon or just that you can not conceal it?

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PattiHannah

Sep-09-13 9:38 PM

Apparently I am confused as to why everybody is upset about the mention of this in the newspaper as if it is some conspiracy against permit holders and it being blamed on J.D. for releasing it.

According to the news release, J.D. obtained the information from Det. Talbert. It is apparently part of the investigation. That is just part of the new system in place. Anytime, a crime is committed with any weapon, officers will being placing that information in police reports. They are public record and it's not like that information is a secret.

In fact, it can be relevant in many ways in a police investigation.

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notSocialist

Sep-10-13 6:11 AM

"Was it for self defense or was it to hinder an over powerful government?"

For both of these.

" If it is legal in Ohio carry openly why not the rest of the States?"

It is legal in many States.

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notSocialist

Sep-10-13 6:14 AM

"Apparently I am confused as to why everybody is upset about the mention of this in the newspaper as if it is some conspiracy against permit holders and it being blamed on J.D. for releasing it. "

I'm not upset. For me, it was weird reading the report, as a CCW holder who just purchased a Ruger 9mm.

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WatchDog

Sep-10-13 1:09 PM

PattyHannah sez: "In fact, it can be relevant in many ways in a police investigation."

Looks like it was in this case because of the questions pertaining to that protection order.

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WatchDog

Sep-10-13 1:13 PM

"I'm not upset. For me, it was weird reading the report, as a CCW holder who just purchased a Ruger 9mm."

Gotta feeling sweetheart, weird is the new norm we are going to have to get used too. <grin>

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GrantMingus

Sep-10-13 2:06 PM

Well, you have yet to explain how it's relevant, other than just saying that it is. So until then, Watchdog, you're just blowing smoke.

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Phoenix

Sep-10-13 2:23 PM

Grant, do you truly believe Mr. Creer added that to the article as a purposeful assault to the second amendment?

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GrantMingus

Sep-10-13 3:38 PM

Not necessarily. I don't pretend to know what his intention was, it simply isn't relevant to the case.

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WatchDog

Sep-10-13 5:03 PM

Dear Det. Talbert,

It is with unfortunate circumstances occurring that I must contact you in your terribly busy day. Sadly, I am being stalked on the Internet by a man that may be showing whacko tendencies and showing great cause for concern. He is a Salem businessman by the name of Grant Mingus. He allegedly may carry a weapon and a CCW permit. Spooky, huh?

Anyhow, he has freely and very openly admitted publicly on the Salem News comment sections that I am his intended target. As you are aware of…”crime is so unpredictable”. Especially when “whacko’s” have obsessions and we never know how far they will go with their hate and actions. Cease and desist warnings escape them.

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WatchDog

Sep-10-13 5:03 PM

It appears that this alleged whacko has a belief that he has the authority and power to dictate and hold accountable my 1st amendment rights to express my opinions. Strange huh?

In words, you will most undoubtedly understand. If I express my opinion and say I say I like Tator Tots. It is this whacko’s mind frame that I must be held accountable and personally explain to him …WHY I like Tator Tots. Strange little man isn’t he

As it stands now, this whacko has pressed this strange obsession just a little further. I made this statement, a response to another resident’s opinion.

“Looks like it was in this case because of the questions pertaining to that protection order.”

Apparently, now, with his increased obsession, he believes that I must now tell him why YOU Detective in the course of your investigation chose to make relevant that CCW permit and the protection order that you released to the public through the Salem news. In other words, he demands that I now expl

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WatchDog

Sep-10-13 5:04 PM

So Detective, if you would be kind enough to duly note this man’s weird obsession, just in case anything mysteriously would happen to me. Prior tips are always so helpful in investigations. Then could you send an officer to Mr. Mingu’s known business address and have them explain to him:

WHY IT IS NONE OF HIS EF’FIN BUSINESS what you do in the scope of your investigations.

Sincerely,

Watchdog

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WatchDog

Sep-10-13 5:07 PM

ooops sorry Detective, left out...explain your actions and thoughts Detective. Seriously strange little man.

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