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Groups work to ‘Paint the Town’

September 6, 2013

SALEM — Volunteers who want the downtown spruced up are asking building owners to paint the town red, green, beige or whatever color it takes to make their locations more appealin....

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questioner

Sep-12-13 10:50 AM

There are buildings downtown that were bought, not used, and are for sale again.

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questioner

Sep-11-13 8:54 AM

Cyndi, you stated, "Our property values have gone down but our taxes haven't." I have to take that as our property taxes are out of whack. The reason I asked is because friends, family, business employees have looked for houses in Salem, chosen to buy elsewhere, and given our property taxes as the reason why.

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concerned

Sep-11-13 7:19 AM

Cyndi says " but as they say, it location location." This is so true Cyndi and location is also "one" of the reasons that you could put all the paint you want on downtown and it will still struggle. Seems to me the stores on the East end are doing much better than downtown. My guess is location might have something to do with it. Another part is they sell things that more people want to buy. Another reason is they are open when people want to shop. There are many factors in why just "Painting the downtown" to draw attention to itself, is not going to revive it. I have nothing against sprucing the town up, but let's not delude ourselves, Salem has much bigger problems than being in need of a paint job.

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CyndiBaronzziDickey

Sep-11-13 6:45 AM

Our property values have gone down but our taxes haven't. At the end of the day you could buy the same property here much cheaper than other areas in the state and country, but as they say, it location location.

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CyndiBaronzziDickey

Sep-11-13 6:42 AM

Salem property tax alone is slightly lower in my comparison, but we don't have fire and police levies that comparable areas have, so all in all they come out very close. I our water and sewer rates are second lowest in the state. Only one other little river town is lower and according to mr. Goll they have a power plant that supplements them.

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CyndiBaronzziDickey

Sep-11-13 6:38 AM

Can't remember, can't balance. My t must be lazy this am.

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CyndiBaronzziDickey

Sep-11-13 6:37 AM

Sorry for the delay, busy at work. Alliance has a 2% tax, the townships have property taxes, some equal higher, some lower. Youngstown has 2.75% I believe. I need the check on Columbiana, leetonia -and Lisbon. I can remember off the top of my head. But, money doesn't seem to be the determining factor in quality if life. Alliance with higher population and double our tax is in the red and even with more business and industry can seem to balance the budget. They also have a bigger city govt payroll, but that is a whole other issue. And I don't think any of us need to talk about youngstown's issues.

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questioner

Sep-10-13 10:32 AM

1 more day, no answer yet, I'll ask the same question:

Are Salem's property taxes (for comparable property) higher than the surrounding area? If so, it would explain why Columbiana Co has had an increase in population, in spite of Salem's continuing decline.

The fact that no one answers this question probably should make me think no one knows, but it really makes me think that the answer is yes, Salem's property taxes are too high, but no one wants to admit that.

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questioner

Sep-09-13 10:09 AM

Cyndi, I appreciate you responding here. I have a question that I've asked multiple times/places/people but I have never received an answer: Are Salem's property taxes (for comparable property) higher than the surrounding area? If so, it would explain why Columbiana Co has had an increase in population, in spite of Salem's continuing decline. If that trend continues (assuming it is accurate), the future of retail/business is poor, no matter what is done.

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ladybug

Sep-09-13 10:07 AM

There is no magic wand,

Like most iv'e lived in the area all my life and would like to see things get better

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ladybug

Sep-09-13 10:05 AM

Sorry meant to say will not solve all the problems

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ladybug

Sep-09-13 10:04 AM

Most the hire's at Am Std can't get past the drug test or most of don't want to work.

They have gotten some lately.

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ladybug

Sep-09-13 10:02 AM

How to make it more enticing, ?

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ladybug

Sep-09-13 10:01 AM

Not really ,

Just saying there has to be a starting point. and i'm sure painting all the b ldg, will solve the problems. One thing can lead to another.

A far as Am,Std, it had no trouble getting good employees until they cut starting wage in half,no benefits for a yr, And it's high ded.Vacation was cut to basically nothing.

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GrantMingus

Sep-09-13 9:24 AM

My point is, ladybug, you seem to want to put the cart before the horse all the time. It simply doesn't work that way.

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GrantMingus

Sep-09-13 9:08 AM

You're right ladybug, I apologize. I misread what you said. That said, what do you suggest we do about getting more business here? It's a pretty enticing place for a business to locate already from a government standpoint, I'm not sure how you would make it more enticing. I know you're going to argue "fix the buildings", but that isn't anywhere near the biggest reason businesses aren't locating here. If the town was desirable enough, it wouldn't matter. The money would be there to be invested into the properties. Companies don't want to invest in the population. Mikes has been hiring servers for a few years now, they go through 6 or 7 before they find one worth keeping. And you won't go because you complain about bad service. American Standard has been hiring for a few years too, can't find good people to stick around. Not much you can do to fix that problem. Bringing people from a few hundred miles away for one weekend a year does nothing to fix that problem.

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ladybug

Sep-09-13 7:39 AM

I believe Youngstown has 1 or 2 tele marketing firms down town

Fixes up the bldg.,brings in jobs and money to the city,

They also have apartments in some the bldgs.

Guess its just much eaqsier to let'm fall down .

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ladybug

Sep-09-13 7:22 AM

I'll try again concerned now think.

It's the events like the cruise that bring people to Salem ,who in turn spend money,who in turn might return for other activities.

Now you have to put things in those empty store that people want,

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ladybug

Sep-09-13 7:13 AM

What lasting effect is that,

God help. Never mind !

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ladybug

Sep-09-13 7:11 AM

I'm not going to argue with you anymore concerned.

Do it your way and Grants. He seems to know everything .Always shuts off his mouth without reading first.

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ladybug

Sep-09-13 7:06 AM

Do you read anything Grant or just shut your mouth off,

I said 80 % of the " empty " again " empty " have nothing in them

Meaning concerns argument about the exspense of fixing them up would cut into owners profits.

Can't cut into profits if there no buss there .

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GrantMingus

Sep-09-13 12:14 AM

The idea that 80% of the buildings downtown are empty is such a gross exaggeration it pretty much renders anything else you say useless ladybug.

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concerned

Sep-08-13 9:38 PM

Well said Cyndi ! Glad to see you think we need to increase the police force also glad to see that you are not in favor of spending city money on privately owned buildings downtown. I agree with you the city's only responsibility is to keep up the infrastructure. However the majority of shopping is done in other parts of town. Like the stores you listed where you shop, most are not downtown. Just because people are not shopping downtown doesn't mean they are not shopping in Salem. It is hard for any store to survive in downtown areas. Salem is not alone in that reality. In fact compared to most downtowns Salem's is flourishing. But our empty downtown stores are not empty because of lack of paint. They are empty because the stores that left were not able to make enough money to warrant staying open. Until that is figured out, all the paint in the world isn't going to bring downtown back to life. I am in favor of anyone that willingly wants to improve their own property.

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WatchDog

Sep-08-13 6:32 PM

FINALLY!!!! Cyndi woke up! That is the response Cyndi I was looking for and trying to drag out of you! You have that voice...USE IT.

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CyndiBaronzziDickey

Sep-08-13 5:40 PM

I don't believe we should pay to improve the private owners buildings but I do believe if the improvements take p,ace and business increases, the city should add parking and infa structure to allow growth, this pays for itself with added business income tax. We have to start somewhere, and praising the people who do invest is a good start.

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