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Sheriff reacts to response time criticism

July 22, 2013

LISBON — Columbiana County Sheriff Ray Stone responded to criticism coming from Knox Township fire officials concerned about what they say is the slow response time to serious incidents in the......

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WatchDog

Jul-22-13 4:40 AM

Whoa!!! I hope this a joke. Because if it isn't, it is an embarrassment and unacceptable. Let me see if I understand this? A Sebring police officer, certified by the State of Ohio who took an oath to protect and serve the people of this State and uphold the laws was within seconds of an EMERGENCY INCIDENT that he could have stepped in and assisted emergency first responders until the jurisdiction agency arrived on the scene that would have ensured their safety and that of the victim and failed to act because....

...he didn't have the Sheriff's blessings to respond? AS IF HE NEEDED IT!!

I have seen some pathetic things amongst our law enforcement agencies and fire departments but this one tops the list of total disregard for public safety involving all three in this matter. Talk about childish and unspeakable.

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concerned

Jul-22-13 7:12 AM

Why is it Knox Twp. doesn't have it's own police force? If they can't afford one why don't they hire another dept. to cover them like Green Twp. pays Goshen Twp. to do their police work. I don't feel it is the county's responsibility to be the only police force in the county. Seems to me Know twp. doesn't want to pay for their own police protection and expects the rest of the county to pay for it. Ever heard the saying: "you get what you pay for!"

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ladybug

Jul-22-13 8:40 AM

1) That is the sherriffs job to cover the county.

@) Maybe Knox Twn doesn't want to pay the additional tax to have it's own force or pay the Sherriffs Dept for coverage like they did yrs ago . To have it's own personal deputy.

Taxes remember !!!

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ladybug

Jul-22-13 8:42 AM

Green Twn pays Goshen over $200,000/yr

Hire back some deputies, Why does every burg have to support it's own police dept ?

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ladybug

Jul-22-13 8:44 AM

Reead the lettering on the side of the Sherriffs Crusiers

Columbania County .

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ladybug

Jul-22-13 8:58 AM

Your wrong concerned.It's not what they get what they pay for,

It's the citizens of col, cty get what we all pay for. 2 deputies to cover the entire county.

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rpmwwe

Jul-22-13 12:41 PM

In Ohio, the sheriffs' mandates by law are to serve the courts and operate the county jails. Most sheriffs do provide a road patrol but the size and capabilities are limited by what the sheriffs' budgets can support after fulfilling the court service and jail operation duties. It is up to the townships to provide police services (just like fire services) but, obviously, many don't and rely on whatever the sheriffs' offices can provide.

What's not mentioned in the article is that Knox Twp has previously contracted with the sheriff's office to have a deputy work exclusively in the township, but the township has cancelled that contract and now there is no deputy.

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ladybug

Jul-22-13 2:23 PM

The sheriff hasn't run the jail in yrs. Most of the courts are run by special deputies,

Most of the deputies time is spent transporting prisoners or serving warrants,

Leaving very little time for road patrol.

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WatchDog

Jul-22-13 2:27 PM

rpmwwe even though your remarks are excellent and of facts it still doesn't excuse what happened in this matter.

When does professional conduct exist?

Now I know that our county is filled with a few 20th century operations instead of 21st century but it is still no excuse what so ever. But what is notable is these self-righteous ego attitudes amongst these three entities is what makes this all unacceptable in their little bids to obtain the PAT US not THEM on the back syndrome. This OBVIOUS contempt for each other has to stop and then they have the audacity to wonder why the public loses respect for them.

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WatchDog

Jul-22-13 2:27 PM

The PUBLIC has to come first REGARDLESS of their petty behavior and indifferences. NOTHING prevented that responding deputy to notify the dispatcher his location and his OBVIOUS response time, he or she meaning dispatcher could have notified Sebring and asked for immediate assistance.

NOTHING stopped Sebring for notifying the Sheriff’s department volunteering his assistance in this matter when it comes to protecting and serving the public REGARDLESS of any agreement.

NOTHING stop this complaining fire official to contact Sebring or the Sheriff Department that the Sebring police officer they waved at across the street to come assist them.

THE PUBLIC AND THEIR SAFETY COMES FIRST and all of them have an obligation and responsibility TO MAKE IT HAPPEN. This UNPROFESSIONAL CONDUCT IS OUTRAGEOUS and I blame all three for this public display that violates the public trust.

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WatchDog

Jul-22-13 2:39 PM

Ladybug I agreed with each of your posts and want add to this if I may please. "Most of the deputies time is spent transporting prisoners or serving warrants"

Their choice. There was an opportunity to free these deputies up to do more road patrol but their union, please don't get mad, because it is the truth, said NO. It takes away from their overtime.

And before you blow up at me, I am not trying to pick a fight with you. The public needs the truth, the full truth. We need solutions not this behavior. That is why we need to go up the ladder and put the blame where it belongs to rectify these existing problems that is causing animosity and wasted tax dollars.

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ladybug

Jul-22-13 2:52 PM

Well watchdog.

I can't answer that one way or another. IF SO.then in would agree it should be the other way around,

The first priority should be to protect the public.

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ladybug

Jul-22-13 2:54 PM

The union is wrong when it behaves in that matter.

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WatchDog

Jul-22-13 3:08 PM

Thank you ladybug and well spoken on your behalf.

This is not a battle of who comes out of top in these matters. This is about fairness for those very same deputies that deserve decent wages and the public that deserves efficient services. We have to find the solutions to these problems instead of these divides. Those divides have effected even these people in this article. This is ridiculous and off the chart of unacceptable.

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WatchDog

Jul-22-13 3:09 PM

When you have first responders going after each other like this...WE HAVE A PROBLEM HOUSTON, huge problem.

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Janedoe17

Jul-22-13 3:13 PM

"I showed them the Ohio Revised Code that says whenever the sheriff's office calls for help they (responding agency) are covered" when it comes to liability, he said.

If any of the deputies that were working on that evening, did not request Sebring to respond, then Sebring could not respond and would not be covered under anything due to being out of their jurisdiction. Now if a Deputy did request Sebring to respond, and then didn't then shame on the officer. I think that's what needs to be determined first, before going and blaming either side.

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WatchDog

Jul-22-13 3:43 PM

Janedoe17 how about we do it this way.

Show me one law or one case history in Columbiana County that shows a responding police officer/deputy outside his jurisdiction acting on the authority of the STATE to intervene in an EMERGENCY SITUATION was held liable for his actions?

Who are we kidding here? His actions or should I say non actions are more of a liability than responding and that is a fact. I can see it now. If those fireman that walked through that door and was shot and killed with an armed police officer sitting across the street when it hit the courts that Sebring police officer will be kissing his career good bye. There is NO EXCUSE FOR ANY OF THIS. SOLVE THE PROBLEMS, don't give me the finger pointing blame game.

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WatchDog

Jul-22-13 4:07 PM

I want to ask a question since I don't know it. I am very curious to this? Am I to understand correctly that our County and all connecting agencies, police and fire do NOT have the capabilities of agency to agency, unit to unit communications with each other?

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concerned

Jul-22-13 4:57 PM

Ladybug says: "@) Maybe Knox Twn doesn't want to pay the additional tax to have it's own force" Well like they say ladybug you get what you pay for. Maybe Perry Twp. residents don't want to pay for police protection either. Does that mean the county should be their only provider of police protection, just because they don't want to pay? The people in the rest of the county pay taxes for county services also. 2 police officers can not do all the police work for the entire county. Why should one be assigned to any one twp. as their full time protection without additional cost? The county officers can only be in one place at a time and if they are needed in the south and someone calls from the north, common sense tell us, they are just going to have to wait for the available officer. They can't be in two places at the same time. If a Twp doesn't like those arrangements then they need to get their own officer like other portions of the county does.

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WatchDog

Jul-22-13 5:35 PM

Interesting isn't it? How the "price on life" always seems to rule the day!

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ladybug

Jul-22-13 5:45 PM

No concerned you acted like you where paying for Knox's protection out of your pocket.

And yes if they don't want to have their own dept, Thats their perrogative,..Thats doesn't mean there nopt entitled to protection from the sheriffs office,

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ladybug

Jul-22-13 5:46 PM

Perry Twn residents have elected to pay for their own dept.That doesn't mean everyone else has too.

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ladybug

Jul-22-13 5:48 PM

The only twn recieving a personnal deputy paid for it if can remember right.Which i dought.

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ladybug

Jul-22-13 5:50 PM

Thats right concerned because of budget cuts and apperantly other choices they only have 2 deputies to cover the entire county at night .

Which we ALL pay for and recieve the same service in response

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ladybug

Jul-22-13 5:51 PM

Did anyone say they where assigned to one area NO NO NO

So we all get what we get.

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