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We’ll be secure without liberties

June 18, 2013

The issue of the National Security Agency having programs that have the capability of trolling through every American’s personal information and web surfing, as well as knowing at least the......

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EATTHERICH

Jun-18-13 9:05 AM

Check out an old movie called The Star Chamber.It's about a secret court.

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ladybug

Jun-19-13 9:11 AM

Go back to pre-911 .Whine baby.

Their taking away all my liberty's GD G.Bush

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Phoenix

Jun-19-13 10:14 AM

Notsocialist, Since you seem to have such a strong opinion on this subject, I'll ask again, do you support the repeal of the Patriot Act and if so, did you support its repeal under the previous administration?

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rentss

Jun-19-13 1:02 PM

Notsocialist only takes his current viewpoint because there's a Democrat in the White House. Under Bush, the Notsocialists and Kozys of the world had no major problem with any of the NSA stuff. In fact, these were the people who thought wikileaks people were traitors. But then they change their tone when they think someone like Snowden may prove embarrassing to Obama.

These are people who care only about the GOP (which itself only cares about power, not the country). That's why they wrap themselves in the flag, it's a ploy to cover up the fact that they truly despise what the US stands for and hate most non-white & non-religious people. They're hypocrites, but luckily they're unlikely to win the presidency again during their lifetimes.

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rentss

Jun-19-13 1:36 PM

Nice talking points, Notsocialist. But your act has fallen apart, and now people see what it is that you really stand for. You're only an "American" when the GOP is in power, when they're not you're yelling about how the country's not the same, freedoms are being lost, etc. BS.

The NSA program is the same now as it was when Bush was in office. If you were actually informed you'd know that Snowden has stated a number of times that the reason he released the info was precisely because Obama didn't end the Bush-era policies.

You're angry because you've been caught red-handed as someone whose only loyalty is to the GOP. Country means nothing to you if your party isn't ruling it.

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Phoenix

Jun-19-13 1:59 PM

Sorry to disappoint you notSocialist but I only post under one account, hard to delete what doesn't exist. I have to admit, I do find it rather humorous that your arrogance makes it so hard for you to accept the number of people who come on here to disagree with you that you have to make up reasons to reduce that number, and you accuse other people of living in a fantasy world.

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Kozy62

Jun-19-13 3:04 PM

My concern was at the passing of the patriot act and continue to be concerned about over reach...next drones will be watching us all by using drones. Aren't you concerned?

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Kozy62

Jun-19-13 4:08 PM

Sorry, I meant to say next our goverment will be caught watching us with drones. Will you finally see how out of control they are if they do that?

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Kozy62

Jun-20-13 5:55 AM

That was quick...

The FBI uses drones for domestic surveillance purposes, the head of the agency told Congress early Wednesday.

Robert Mueller, the director of the FBI, confirmed to lawmakers that the FBI owns several unmanned aerial vehicles, but has not adopted any strict policies or guidelines yet to govern the use of the controversial aircraft. “Does the FBI use drones for surveillance on US soil?” Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) asked Mr Mueller during an oversight hearing on Capitol Hill Wednesday before the Senate Judiciary Committee.

“Yes,” Mueller responded bluntly, adding that the FBI’s operation of drones is “very seldom.”

Asked by Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-California) to elaborate, Mueller added, “It’s very seldom used and generally used in a particular incident where you need the capability.” Earlier in the morning, however, Mueller said that the agency was only now working to establish set rules for the drone program.

And our government wonders why we don't

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Kozy62

Jun-20-13 6:06 AM

And the government wonders why we don't trust them?

Did you wonder how Obama knew you liked to grill steaks or that you had a garden? Or ever wonder how he knew you went to Church or didn't? Or how did he and the EPA know that that Farmer on Depot road was kicking u some dust when he plowed his field or that you buried something in your back yard?

So, they only watch foreign people...but in his speech yesterday Obama said "we don't listen to our citizens or German's or French's...then why the drones?

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Phoenix

Jun-20-13 7:39 AM

NotSocialist, "I've mentioned this several times without a peep from you." That's because I thought it was too rediculous to respond to,but since you wouldn't let it go I finally decided to set the record straight. Really don't care if you believe me, the truth is the truth.

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Kozy62

Jun-20-13 11:42 AM

rents: "That's why they wrap themselves in the flag, it's a ploy to cover up the fact that they truly despise what the US stands for and hate most non-white & non-religious people."

Why do you rant on and on about our country when you do not even read the Constitution? Why do you hate me so much when I have not one ounce of hate towards you? I have post much more than once how being a Christian is a choice made by each person. I can't even demand my Children and Grandchildren make that choice. I want them too, in order to sense God's fullness but I can't demand it.

I want everyone to open their eyes, read and understand the Constitution and appreciate it and for we the people to demand that those we elect follow it but I can only point out the wrong paths taken and hope and pray other's see them too...It's all I can do. Hate, no. I have no hate for anyone.

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rentss

Jun-20-13 1:58 PM

I don't hate you Kozy. I do think that you don't realize that your mentality is a passive form of hatred, and I would even suspect that you were not someone who embraced the civil rights movement while it was happening (I'm guessing here, I could be wrong).

Notsocialist, on the other hand, is an example of misinformation mixed with frustration and anger. Most of what he posts is factually incorrect (like NSA changing its policy under Obama, or IRS targeting "over 500" Tea Party groups, etc.) This is nothing more than a bunch of Ted Cruz/Rand Paul/Glenn Beck nonsense. And, just like I posted earlier, this is all proof that he doesn't support the American way of improving generation after generation. He doesn't even understand that "conservative" has nothing to do with fighting for individual freedom. Liberals, and Libertarians to an extent, stand for liberty; Conservatives stand for tradition and order which are often anathema to personal liberties. He doesn'

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rentss

Jun-20-13 2:01 PM

As for not knowing the Constitution, I had to read in High School, was tested on it at college, and had to have the thing memorized in grad school.

Unlike the Tea Party, I didn't discover the Constitution the day the black guy got elected President.

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Kozy62

Jun-20-13 3:03 PM

I would point out the irony - which seems to have been lost in some of the news coverage and posting here -- that the same party seeking to manufacture this issue today, is in fact the same political party which led the filibuster against the Civil Rights Act in 1964.

rents...You're grasping towards something you have no history to prove. I don't care what color you or anyone else is and I have plenty of witnesses to stand behind that statement, but you don't care about that so I'm just wasting my time.

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rentss

Jun-20-13 3:03 PM

And need I remind you that practically all those Dixiecrats became Republican under Nixon's Southern Strategy?

Why would I report abuse? What you spout is non-sense, not abuse.

You know that local universities allow seniors to sit in on classes for free, right? You're probably at or near that age, so instead of sounding ignorant by saying things like Democrats 60 years ago were racist (while ignoring the fact that these racists became Republicans starting after 1964), you could actually learn accurate history.

But this is indicative of the fake patriotism of the Tea Party, not to mention the numerous attempts at projecting Conservative behavior on non-Conservatives (such as all the 1984 references TeaPartiers make without any irony that they actually represent the Orwellian fringe).

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rentss

Jun-20-13 3:08 PM

I'm not grasping at any straws, Kozy. I'm just pointing out that you and Notsocialist are Republican first, American second.

You can try to revise historical fact all you want, but it remains that the Conservatives of this country have always valued power over loyalty to the US.

If Gore had won, there would've been impeachment trials after 9-11 because the GOP would use any means necessary to gain control of government. Luck for this country, the Democrats don't act the same. They came together, and just like the Boston bombing showed, the GOP would never have done the same if they had been the opposition party after 9-11.

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Kozy62

Jun-20-13 5:35 PM

Impeachment after 9/11?

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Phoenix

Jun-20-13 7:25 PM

It was the Southern Democrats, Dixiecrats, who filibustered it. I've lived in the south for over thirty years, I know quite a few former Dixiecrats, they call themselves Rebublican now. Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act into law, despite knowing that in doing so the Democrats would lose the south.

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Phoenix

Jun-20-13 7:27 PM

Sorry, republican, typing on my phone at work.

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Kozy62

Jun-21-13 5:15 AM

Like so many during the past three elections...some believe if you say something false enough, liberals will believe it to be true.

So when is a false statement ever false? Are liberals so bent on their falsehoods being accepted that they will do anything? Will there ever be an honest election again? If liberals stay in power, will we ever be safe from our government?

And, Phoenix, to say you knew the Dixie Chicks in 1964 and they moved to the republican party to join the party that pushed freedom for minorities and that was a bad thing? And, because you lived there in 1964? If it were that easy, the Cleveland Indians won the World Series in 1964 because I lived in Salem, Ohio in 1964 and rooted for them.

How old were you in 1964?

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Phoenix

Jun-21-13 5:50 AM

Kozy, never said I knew the Dixie Chicks.:) Never said I lived in the South in 1964. If you reread my post you'll see that I stated that I've lived in the South for over thirty years and during that time I have meet many former Dixiecrats. The passing of the Civil Rights Act was one of the main reasons they left the Democratic Party, they disagreed with where the party was headed.

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sunshine72

Jun-21-13 7:01 AM

Let us not forget a person had to be a Democrat to be a member of the KKK!

And what party do they belong to NOW notsocialist? Can you guess?? Hint, it's not democrat.

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Phoenix

Jun-21-13 8:02 AM

They went to the party that championed their ideals at that time.

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Phoenix

Jun-21-13 8:07 AM

I suggest you read up on your history notSocialist, the Republican Party that gave use Lincoln no longer exists, it hasn't for quite some time.

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