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Council OKs zoning for apartments

SALEM

March 20, 2013

City council voted Tuesday to rezone two sections of a 67....

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gimmieabreak

Mar-20-13 10:22 AM

Mr. Brown was right about this one. Giving up land that could be used for commercial use and more jobs to a HUD project that was going to be there anyway is poor planning. Salem keeps shooting itself in the foot and everywhere else. Stay tuned!

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swager

Mar-20-13 1:39 PM

Apartments are a business. If a **** shop wanted to locate in the same spot how fast do you think the city would find a way to shut down the project? Cities have to bring in more and more things to tax. Cities are failures and nothing will change that.It doesn't matter what the residents think.

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concerned

Mar-20-13 4:41 PM

"Mr. Brown was right about this one"

Too bad the rest of them could not see that reducing the amount of commercially zoned property did not promote commercial growth! Not quite sure where exactly this property lies but I think it might be in the vicinity of the Pershing Street extension we just spent taxpayers dollars to build so we could have more commercial development in that area. Anyone know for sure?

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gimmieabreak

Mar-20-13 10:22 PM

Concerned, you are right on!. The land is along Pershing St. and could have been used for future job locations and commercial growth.Another lost opportunity for Salem after spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on nothing more than a quicker route to Walmart and the upcoming "Projects".

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stavros

Mar-21-13 12:22 AM

Well it never ceases to amaze me when people actually agree with Clyde Brown. Mr Brown wants no growth for this city other than what he and his friends deem to be right. People who live in those apartments spend money in Salem,and many who work will be paying taxesin Salem. Is Brown against progress??? Sure looks like it. But why should that surprise any of us!!!

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concerned

Mar-21-13 6:02 AM

Stavros Please explain how reducing the amount of land available for commercial usage in favor of low income subsidized housing is going to help economic growth. Also please explain the wisdom of sinking thousands of dollars in infrastructure and selling it as something that will encourage commercial development and then change the zoning of that area to accommodate low income housing.

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gimmieabreak

Mar-21-13 7:02 AM

Starvos, the "Projects"are NOT the issue! They are coming . The issue is giving up commercial - zoned land that could have been used for business that hire people out of work, even those who might live in the next door "Projects"

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GrantMingus

Mar-21-13 9:12 AM

Please show me a list of commercial vendors who are foaming at the mouth to build and open in Salem. Were any of you going to personally finance another plaza? Those are doing so well here..

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ladybug

Mar-21-13 9:45 AM

I'm inclined to agree.

Many of the plaza's have un-filled spaces now.

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concerned

Mar-21-13 10:20 AM

One could just as easily ask where are they going to get an additional 90+ Low income families to fill up these apartments?? Youngstown???

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concerned

Mar-21-13 10:25 AM

Wise zoning looks into the future not at the present need. Poor planning and zoning is what puts mixed usage in various neighborhoods. Industrial in residential, commercial in residential etc.

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ladybug

Mar-21-13 10:27 AM

Well concerned they wouldn't be spending the money if they didn't think they would fill them.

Probably 50 % of Salem falls with in the cat, now,

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ladybug

Mar-21-13 10:53 AM

Does Salem have anyone who sets down and try's to plan any of this,

What areaould be best suited for this and what area est suited for that,

Or is just done a me basis,Look what i did type program.

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concerned

Mar-21-13 11:58 AM

Ladybug you are missing my point. I am sure they will fill them up. You say 50% of the city would qualify. Are these people homeless now? If not who is going to occupy the homes that they are currently occupying now? Will we just have more empty houses in town which will add to our blight, or will more low income people move in from other areas into those homes? I think jobs are what Salem needs. It takes businesses to provide jobs reducing the amount of available commercially zoned property is counter productive.

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ladybug

Mar-21-13 12:09 PM

In away your correct.

The'll build this ,Fill them up and something else will go empty.

Seems like thats Salem's therory. Get 12 pizza shops in town and sooner or later 2 or 3 close. Why do we need 4 auto parts wharehouses in town ??

Your right. " Over kill "

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ladybug

Mar-21-13 12:42 PM

I don't think Salem has an over all long range plan.

It needs to fiz up the downtown area, Attract certain clientel

Get rid of the towns eye soars,

Set a good zoning policy

Needs a motel ,like yesterday

Find ways to attact some industry

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WatchDog

Mar-21-13 6:24 PM

This LOW INCOME project fiasco is only GROWING POVERTY, weakening our median income levels and growing crime. There is no BALANCED GROWTH. Available JOBS demand HOUSING. Until we stop playing these stupid games it will never get better. We have to strengthen the economic balance not weaken it.

I bet NRP laughed their butts off each and every time they walked out of that Council Chamber. "We have a good reputation," she said." Yep you sure do. You have been in this business a long time and you know exactly how to search out "FAILING CITIES" and profit from it.

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WatchDog

Mar-21-13 6:30 PM

concerned asks "One could just as easily ask where are they going to get an additional 90+ Low income families to fill up these apartments?? Youngstown???"

Those already inside of town, the areas that will soon be vacant and open up the doors to crime, drugs and scumbags of Youngstown and God only knows where else.

Our local government has made a HUGE MISTAKE for our area, our schools and communities.

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GrantMingus

Mar-21-13 8:31 PM

The market dictates this. Give me a list of companies lining up to do business here? How about we just let this oil and gas stuff work itself out and we might be just fine. What other hope do you have? Your other ideas are utopian, some unrealistic idea that people will see Salem the same way you do. If you want to argue against low income housing then fine, but if your argument revolves around needing commercial space then you lose the argument very quickly.

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GrantMingus

Mar-21-13 8:34 PM

If there is a need for commercial space in the future, you're nuts to think that land around town won't be bought up and annexed in. Until there is a need for it, it won't happen...because the market dictates that.

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concerned

Mar-22-13 7:04 AM

It is called planning Grant. With well thought out plans you don't end up with spot zoning and no place to put things that come up in the future.

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GrantMingus

Mar-22-13 8:57 AM

That's like me planning my life as a billionaire. You can waste a lot of time planning for something that isn't coming while opportunity runs right by you.

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concerned

Mar-23-13 6:59 AM

Grant, Are you saying changing commercially zone property to accommodate a subsidized housing project is grabbing hold of one of life's opportunities.

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