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Successes from 2008 plan analyzed

March 10, 2013

SALEM — Successes realized from a 2008 plan created to provide direction for Salem’s future may become part of an Ohio State University Extension case study and offered as a role model for planning......

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WatchDog

Mar-10-13 4:06 PM

Small minds will see this as success, great minds will see this as grasping for straws in failure.

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DaveNestic

Mar-10-13 5:29 PM

And common sense will see taking pot shots behind a mask that provides anonymity as cowardice. Please Watchdog, entertain us with your long list of accomplishments and all the seeds planted with the contributions of your free time and money. Maybe you have a long list that justifies your opinions and jabs at those that work hard for the city with their volunteer hours. We can’t know that though when you comment behind a pseudonym.

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WatchDog

Mar-13-13 6:19 PM

Councilman Nestic states: "And common sense will see taking pot shots behind a mask that provides anonymity as cowardice."

Thank you for showing the entire city of Salem your true character. Can't dispute the facts...dive head first into the character assassination. Politics 101 Mr. Nestic, NEVER show your weakness.

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WatchDog

Mar-13-13 6:22 PM

Councilman Nestic states: "Please Watchdog, entertain us with your long list of accomplishments and all the seeds planted with the contributions of your free time and money."

I didn't know this was about a competition of who can do the most or less for the City of Salem based upon wealth. Shame on you Mr. Nestic. Salem doesn't belong to the wealthy, it belongs to every single resident and taxpayer in this city. You are just going to have to grow up and accept those facts.

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WatchDog

Mar-13-13 6:36 PM

Councilman Nestic states: "Maybe you have a long list that justifies your opinions and jabs at those that work hard for the city with their volunteer hours."

Mr. Nestic, you are a city councilman 24/7 and you are paid to perform that duty. You are not a volunteer.

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salemfan

Mar-13-13 7:19 PM

I suppose I could sit in my easy chair and watch Watchdog and Mr. Nestic duel on this issue, but something just told me to comment today. I've followed the news in this town for many years and am interested in the comments made regarding news articles online. I have noticed, as I supposed Mr. Nestic has, that the person known as Watchdog does espouse a lot of negative comments about the running of the city. Oft times I've wondered if this person disagrees so much about how the city is run, or what the council does or doesn't do, why doesn't this person run for office. I anticipate the answer from Watchdog will be something along the lines as it's their right or duty to question or criticize our elected officials and I don't dispute that. However, if as this person seems to feel, nothing is getting done, or things are not getting better, then perhaps it’s time for that person to step to the forefront and take the reins. Show the people of Salem how it should be done. (Cont.)

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salemfan

Mar-13-13 7:19 PM

Part 2. Regarding Watchdog’s rebuttals to Mr. Nestic, Watchdog says Politics 101 says never show your weakness. I would argue that Mr. Nestic showed great STRENGTH. He posted a reply to your comments under his OWN name, not hiding behind a pseudonym. Watchdog stated “Can’t dispute the facts…dive head first into the character assassination.” What facts was he disputing? Watchdog’s initial comments were opinions, not facts. Watchdog stated “Salem doesn’t belong to the wealthy, it belongs to every single resident and taxpayer in this city.” I for one did not interpret anything Mr. Nestic wrote as saying Salem belonged to wealthy individuals. I did interpret Mr. Nestic’s comment to Watchdog as one meaning there have been people within this community who have given of their time AND money in an attempt to make this community better. I did interpret Mr. Nestic’s comment as one trying to find out what the person known as Watchdog has or is doing to make the city better. (Cont.)

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salemfan

Mar-13-13 7:20 PM

Part 3. Finally, Watchdog wrote “Mr. Nestic, you are a city councilman 24/7 and you are paid to perform that duty. You are not a volunteer.” Having read the article itself, it dealt with the Comprehensive Plan. The article said “There’s been a lot of dedicated volunteers that have helped bring life to all those projects in the community.” I interpreted Mr. Nestic’s comments as defending those volunteers, not implying that he himself volunteers his time. So, enough from me, as I said, I could have stayed back out of this particular discussion, but something just told me I had to write.

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WatchDog

Mar-13-13 9:20 PM

Salemfan, it would appear you are in bed with Mr. Nestic and your intent to protect him...it is duly noted.

Again, let me quote Mr. Nestic..."And common sense will see taking pot shots behind a mask that provides anonymity as cowardice."

Salemfan, do you believe Mr. Nestic feels the same way about you in his feelings with that statement he inflicted upon me? So are you too considered a coward by Mr. Nestic?

Or is that statement only weighed with merit when Mr. Nestic's behavior is being questioned as a public official or in kissing his (AZZ), as you just did?

By the way. If you didn't notice? My comment did not mention volunteers nor even Mr. Nestic by name. He should have thought about that before he drew first blood with his wounded pride by attacking my comment regarding an article that apparently he pushed.

"Residents question project again". Go read the article and those comments. I'm not alone in my displeasure for the stagnant growth in Sa

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DaveNestic

Mar-14-13 6:54 AM

Just FYI WatchDog, I received an email from someone that was offended by your remarks. Knowing how much effort went into this work and the positive that resulted from so many vounteer hours committed, I felt compelled to retort on thier behalf. It is not a rich/poor issue. It is a contributor/complainer issue.

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Louigi

Mar-14-13 7:55 AM

Your wrong on this one WatchDog. I do not know Mr. Nestic, but what I've seen since his election to council is leadership. Is he always right, I doubt it. I watches as many people have taken shots at Mr. Cahill, again a man who has stepped up and taken responsibility, wrong or right. It is a risk putting your name out there for all to drag through the mud. But leaders will do what it takes to make a positive outcome. Others just watch and take pot shots from behind a rock.

Lou Donnelly

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Kozy62

Mar-14-13 12:26 PM

Please calm down. Were there successes or failures. Is Audrey correct or not. Should we be afraid of people knowing who's making the comment...I sure hope not. But, please...let's not put each other down. God created us all to be different and right or wrong, we are who we are.

Please!

Sincerely, Joe Kozar

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DaveNestic

Mar-14-13 1:23 PM

Thanks for your comments Lou and Joe. "Not..." I am not sure what you are referring to as a veiled threat. My aim is to elevate the conversation in these blogs. It is too easy to criticize and spread false information when you do so anonymously. People outside our community read these pages and it does not serve us well. When a local company is looking to hire a manager or a company is deciding where to locate, one thing they survey is the local paper to get a feel for the community. Unwarranted or unfounded criticism provides a skewed view of our community to such outsiders considering investments here.

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Kozy62

Mar-14-13 1:23 PM

Oh, no...now you're really going to hate me since I told you my name. Just kidding!

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Kozy62

Mar-14-13 1:27 PM

Dave, you are correct but debate can be a great benefit. I only believe it should be debate on the subject and not personal. I have to believe not everything went as planned and you can only get better if this is studied, acknowledged and remembered when moving forward. History, after all, is our best guide after God.

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GrantMingus

Mar-14-13 2:30 PM

I support that idea. I hate the anonymity of the discussion on this site, which is why I refused to participate in it. If you're going to speak, speak for yourself, not just to be heard.

I'm fairly certain that without anonymous screen names, I probably wouldn't have been verbally attacked by someone wishing for me to be engaged in a gun battle last week.

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RickDrummond

Mar-14-13 4:26 PM

Well Dave, looks like you've started something here, what with all the open posts! I like it!

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GrantMingus

Mar-14-13 4:57 PM

The disagrees are humorous. I guess standing behind your words isn't a popular notion.

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Louigi

Mar-14-13 5:02 PM

I have though my name should be out in the open for quite a while, not that anyone cares. I can change e-mail address as well as my password but don't see a path to changing the screen name. I am Lou, but definitely not Italian.

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Louigi

Mar-14-13 5:03 PM

Thought

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Louigi

Mar-14-13 5:07 PM

The debate would be a lot more constructive, if you're willing to stand up and be counted.

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WatchDog

Mar-14-13 11:12 PM

Mr. Nestic states: "Just FYI WatchDog, I received an email from someone that was offended by your remarks."

Let me see if I understand this correctly. You had a resident of Salem email you and complained about a public newspaper comment that specifically did not insult anybody by name and was written as an opinion.

So in your thinking...that gave you the right/power to come on here and personally attack another resident on their behalf?

I find that bit unethical Mr. Nestic for an elected official.

Do you make a practice of that on regular basis?

I suggest highly you hang on to that email.

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WatchDog

Mar-14-13 11:20 PM

"Small minds will see this as success, great minds will see this as grasping for straws in failure."

Here is your mistake Mr. Nestic. You would have done better to ask why I wrote what I wrote or had even been better as public official is to ask respectfully why I felt that way.

That is what respectable elected officials do.

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WatchDog

Mar-14-13 11:31 PM

Concilman Nestic states: "It is too easy to criticize and spread false information when you do so anonymously."

What false information Mr. Nestic?

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WatchDog

Mar-14-13 11:52 PM

Mr. Nestic states: "People outside our community read these pages and it does not serve us well. When a local company is looking to hire a manager or a company is deciding where to locate, one thing they survey is the local paper to get a feel for the community. Unwarranted or unfounded criticism provides a skewed view of our community to such outsiders considering investments here."

So your idea is what? LIE? Conceal the facts? Bait and hook people to come here?

These comments are driving away progress for Salem. The news article do that all by themselves Mr. Nestic. Do you think you can control the Salem News? Do you think you should have that right/power to do that too?

It's called freedom of speech Mr. Nestic, one of the many sacred amendments of our Constitution. You don't personally like what somebody's opinion may be, then join the debate. If you feel someone is misinformed. Clarify it and their questions. Respect Mr. Nestic...is a two way street.

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